Anna Posted October 5, 2003 Share Posted October 5, 2003 St. Mary Magdalene, while not an apostle, obviously played an important role in Early Christianity. She may have been the first person who experienced a real, life altering conversion through Christ's grace. It's no surprise why she remained so faithful to Him, even unto the grave! Yes, beyond even the Cross, where she stood, adoring her Suffering Lord, her love and devotion didn't stop there...she was first to reach His tomb and find it empty. It seems to me that, in that day when many women were silent, St. Mary Magdalene's Faith was expressed boldly and demonstratively. Also, she seems to have been an almost constant companion of Our Lady. Sad that in today's society, some folks feel they must attach some sexual implication to St. Mary Magdalene's True and Pure Love for her Savior. But hey, it sells more books and movies this way, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted October 5, 2003 Share Posted October 5, 2003 (edited) But, oh, yes, she would have been among the 120 or so disciples at Pentecost! Incidentally, I know of a priest/prominant speaker/author who says horrible things about intimacy between Jesus and Mary Magdalene. Friends of mine have corresponded with him and his superiors, with bishops in dioceses where he speaks and sells his books, etc...but most of all, they pray HARD for his conversion. Edited October 5, 2003 by Anna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAZEr Posted October 6, 2003 Share Posted October 6, 2003 Ironmonk, have you lost your mind? 1) Mary Magdalene brought the Gospel to Gaul, along with her brother Lazarus and her sister Martha. This is the tradition of your own church. Oh, where do begin. The Church doesn't teach that Mary Magdalene took the Gospel to Gaul, but there are relics in southern france that are venerated as her own. We're not sure if they are really her. That's tradition with a small "t" . . . 2) Acts 1:14 says that the Apostles were with Mary, "some women," and the brothers of the Lord. Acts 2:1 tells us that they were all in one place together, and Acts 2:4 tells us that they were all filled with the Holy Spirit. So it was not just the Twelve and Mary that the Holy Spirit descended on.The WHOLE CHURCH gets the Holy Spirit on Pentecost, not just the Apostles. The thing is, though, that we each get the Holy Spirt and it is manifest according to our role in the Church . .. the preacher and the hermit do not express the HS in the same way. And for Trooper When John and James' mother asked Jesus to place her two sons in a high position, and the other ten apostles "became indignant about it" (Matthew 20:24), The Lord's response was - "You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. Not so with you." No Apostle was favoured or had authority over another. I don't read in there that Jesus didn't give authority to any apostle over any other. In fact, all I read is that Jesus is telling them that they want authority for the wrong reasons. Since you and both read it and have different views on it, who's right? If you have no authority to appeal to other than yourself . . . what do you do when two people disagree? Start your own Church? (Sorry, I couldn't resist!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooper4DaHolyG Posted October 6, 2003 Share Posted October 6, 2003 (edited) Please read St. Matt 16:18-19, St. John 21:15-19, and Acts 20:30. Note, that Peter was the first Pope and the Catholic Church was the first Christian faith. How can a man change what Christ has built and be correct? Your Servant in Christ, ironmonk Matthew 16:17-20 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. 18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. 20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ. quite the smart student, always eager to learn and query. Notice he was speaking to all disciples..... -------------------------------- John 21:15-19 15 So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs. 16 He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep. 17 He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep. 18 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, When thou wast young, thou girdest thyself, and walkedst whither thou wouldest: but when thou shalt be old, thou shalt stretch forth thy hands, and another shall gird thee, and carry thee whither thou wouldest not. 19 This spake he, signifying by what death he should glorify God. And when he had spoken this, he saith unto him, Follow me. once again no sign of favouring, once again Peter is eager to learn and be used as a model. -------------------------------- Acts 20:30 30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Obviously your using a warning by Paul as an attack directed at me, I do not come to seize, kill and destroy. I come here to learn, love, challenge and be challenged..... Edited October 6, 2003 by Trooper4DaHolyG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 6, 2003 Share Posted October 6, 2003 Matthew 16:17-20 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. 18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. 20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ. quite the smart student, always eager to learn and query. Notice he was speaking to all disciples..... No, he was speaking to Peter first, and only afterward did he address all the disciples. John 21:15-19 15 So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs. 16 He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep. 17 He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep. 18 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, When thou wast young, thou girdest thyself, and walkedst whither thou wouldest: but when thou shalt be old, thou shalt stretch forth thy hands, and another shall gird thee, and carry thee whither thou wouldest not. 19 This spake he, signifying by what death he should glorify God. And when he had spoken this, he saith unto him, Follow me. once again no sign of favouring, once again Peter is eager to learn and be used as a model. No, Jesus is giving Peter a special mission. Why didn't he say what He did to the other disciples? Why didn't he gather them together and get all their responses? Acts 20:30 30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Obviously your using a warning by Paul as an attack directed at me, I do not come to seize, kill and destroy. I come here to learn, love, challenge and be challenged..... No, you came here to try and expose the "errors" of Catholicism and tell us we're wrong. If you came to learn, you'd be asking questions of us, not attempting to prove us wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooper4DaHolyG Posted October 6, 2003 Share Posted October 6, 2003 i have asked many questions! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted October 6, 2003 Share Posted October 6, 2003 i have asked many questions! :D Yes you have, but you have been quite incapable of answering any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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