The Law is the Law

[Lil Red]

[b]THE LAW IS THE LAW[/b]
So if the US Government determines that it is against the law for the words "under God" to be on our money, then, so be it.

And if that same government decides that the "Ten Commandments" are not to be used in or on a government installation, then, so be it.

And since they already have prohibited any prayer in the schools, on which they deem their authority, then so be it.

I say, "So be it," because I would like to be a law abiding US Citizen.

I say, "So be it," because I would like to think that smarter people than I are in positions to make good decisions.

I would like to think that those people have the American Publics' best interests at heart.

[b]BUT, YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE I'D LIKE?[/b]
Since we can't pray to God, can't Trust in God and cannot Post His Commandments in Government buildings, I don't believe the Government and it's employees should participate in the Easter and Christmas celebrations which honor the God that our government is eliminating from many facets of American life.

I'd like my mail delivered on Christmas, Good Friday, Thanksgiving and Easter.

After all, it's just another day.

I'd like the US Supreme Court to be in session on Christmas, Good Friday, Thanksgiving and Easter as well as Sundays. After all, it's just another day.

I'd like the Senate and the House of Representatives to not have to worry about getting home for the "Christmas Break."  After all it's just another day.

I'm thinking that a lot of my taxpayer dollars could be saved, if all government offices & services would work on Christmas, Good Friday & Easter.

It shouldn't cost any overtime since those would be just like any other day of the week to a government that is trying to be "politically correct."

In fact, I think that our government should work on Sundays (initially set aside for worshipping God...) because, after all, our government says that it should be just another day....

What do you all think????

If this idea gets to enough people, maybe our elected officials will stop giving in to the minority opinions and begin, once again, to represent the majority of ALL of the American people.

SO BE IT...........

Please Dear Lord,
Give us the help needed to keep you in our country!

Amen and Amen

[shelly_freak]

I saw this a while back. has some very good points

[Sinner]

yeah!

[the_rev]

Separation of church and state. Must not be applicable to John Kerry and John Edwards. Both who have given speeches in churches.

Separation of church and state my people at work!

[heyyoimjohnny]

Separation of Church and State was a dumb idea. lol. But then again, I'm biased...

[Mrs. Bro. Adam]

huh

[Iacobus]

[quote name='heyyoimjohnny' date='Oct 26 2004, 07:53 PM'] Separation of Church and State was a dumb idea. lol. But then again, I'm biased... [/quote]
I think it was a sweet idea. Know why? Go to China. Go to Iran. Go back in time to the USSR. Go back in time to old England. What our FF sought to do was allow us to worship freely, and without speration, I am willing to bet the Catholic Church wouldn't have the presnce it does in the US. In case you didn't know, the US population was and still is fairly anti Catholic. If there wasn't the septeration the Catholic Church could have been banned. So think before you endorse.

[Lounge Daddy]

[font="Courier"]The problem exists when people confuse “freedom of religion” with “freedom from religion.”[/font]

[Iacobus]

[quote name='Lounge Daddy' date='Oct 26 2004, 09:49 PM'] [font="Courier"]The problem exists when people confuse “freedom of religion” with “freedom from religion.”[/font] [/quote]
Wow. That is problem the most prefect way of explaining it I have ever read. Rock on.

[Balthazor]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


This is straight from the bill of rights, amendment 1.

People who spaz over seeing the word "GOD" anywhere near a government institution. They rarely ever look directly at the establishment clause, that they are trying to derive their arguement from.

What I want to know is how people somehow could possiblyinterpret a judge keeping a copy of the Ten Commandments on his desk as the government establishing a religion?

As I see it this clause was put in place for a very good reason, to keep the government from establishing a religion, (example: Church of England), and then persecuting or taxing anyone who does not subscribe to that religion. They did not write in this phrase to try and create a completely secular, religion free society.
In other words the phrase was not pt in place to impede or persecute religion but rather to protect it, in all forms not just one.

Peace,
Balthazor

[azaelia]

[quote name='heyyoimjohnny' date='Oct 26 2004, 08:53 PM'] Separation of Church and State was a dumb idea. lol. But then again, I'm biased... [/quote]
[url="http://www.noapathy.org/tracts/mythofseparation.html"]The Myth of Separation of Church and State[/url]

Anytime religion is mentioned within the confines of government today people cry, "Separation of Church and State". Many people think this statement appears in the first amendment of the U.S. Constitution and therefore must be strictly enforced. However, the words: "separation", "church", and "state" do not even appear in the first amendment. The first amendment reads, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

[Balthazor]

The whole first amendment is right above you.

[azaelia]

[quote name='Balthazor' date='Oct 27 2004, 12:24 AM'] The whole first amendment is right above you. [/quote]
I just saw that. Hey, it's a good article anyway

[Balthazor]

Just thought I would tell you,
I agree it is a good article


Balthazor

[Snarf]

I think the term "Separation of Church and State" was in the Federalist Papers, at any rate it was in a document by the forefathers. So that it's not in the Bill of Rights is a pretty moot point.

I wholly support separation of Church and State because, gauging by the common people comprising it, the State's notion of religion is inane and stupid.

Case in point: every time I've looked at the Ten Commandments installed in a public facility, they were of the Deuteronomical version rather than that of Exodus. That is, the coveting commandments were consolidated and a separate one was made against worshipping graven images. While perfectly acceptible as the Word of God, this preference began early after the Reformation as a dig against Catholics who were alleged to worship the cult of saints and relics. Preference for the Deuteronomical Commandments was instated as an insult to the integrity of the Catholic Church.

So, I know what the Ten Commandments are because I've read the Bible for myself. I know what a cross looks like because I have them hanging up in my home. Efforts for the government to intervene to shove these in my face is just stupid firstly because it belittles my own notions of religion, and secondly because it gives credibility to idiots who say we should post Crescents or pentagrams or statues of Cthulu or whatever in public places as to not discriminate.

Come on, Catholics are supposed to be the educated Christians. Don't get drawn in by such fundamentalist drivel.