Deja Vu Or Clairvoyance

[Lil Red]

Okay, here's the thing. I know that the Church teaches that clairvoyance, horoscopes and the ilk are wrong and to consult them are wrong. Here's my problem:

I have had several dreams, one very recently, that I am in a situation. Like, let's say, I'm at the grocery store and something strange happens to me, or a very strange person (or someone I don't recognize) comes up and talks to me.

Here's the freaky part. Weeks or even months later, the same situation will happen! And I've had people say, oh it's just deja vu, but a lot of these situations will be very specific, not generalized at all.

So, should I be worried? Should I keep ignoring them? What do you guys think? :ph34r:

[ReformationNow]

Same thing happens to me sometimes. I've gotten to the point where I just ignore it. It may be that it's just our subconcious mind recreating what we saw in our dreams. I dunno. God ain't gonna burn you for having a dream come true.

[cmotherofpirl]

Horoscopes, astrology, tarot cards etc are all forbidden activities.

But the "second sight" is a gift some people simply have. Its just there.

Dreams are the same way, its not an activityt you go and plan.

God can work thru premonitions and dreams.

He doesn't always have to knock us over to get our attention.

[Gaian Dreamer]

Hey, I have had " Deja Vu ", " Preminitions ", " Clairavoyance " for most my life, from the age of twelve. In my opinion, they are all the same thing, I prefer to use the term " Second Sight ". Because I belive that dreaming something that come true later, is seeing the strands of fate without knowing you've seen them. Seeing it with a diffrent set of eyes in a way.

If " God " claim it to be wrong for you to have a " supernatural " edge in life, that you have to decide if you want to lock it away, or develope it. Because as I have gone, I have " Deja Vu " to the extent, that instead of just one moment, I know what is going to be said or done in the next 30 to 60 seconds; which has never been wrong unless I say something diffrent from what I dreamt/felt I would say. Also to this extent, I have this sense of " Deja Vu " about four to five times a month.

The choice is yours, and the choice is really moral. Stay true to your " God " or embrace the gift you have, it is something that should not be wasted, I personally love it, at times I just know things, knew exactly what someone looked like before I saw a picture of them, freaked both of us out. Most people are extremely predictable to me as well. Embrace it or deny it, the choice is your and no one elses. Do what you think is right, not what you think " God " thinks is right, if you understand what I mean.

[cmotherofpirl]

AS Catholics we put what God wants first.

There is a difference between having the Second sight as a gift and going and looking for it in someone else. THe first is ok , the second is not.

[Gaian Dreamer]

If god created us, and didn't want us to have second sight, then why are people able to have it?

It follows the same direction as. " Can God make a stone he cannot lift? "

[cmotherofpirl]

I didn't say that.

I said we shouldn't go out to look for it as in Sylvia Brown John Edwards stuff.

[Gaian Dreamer]

I didn't say you did, but the way you spoke brought it to my mind. Its a decent question, could consider a response to it. But I personally, don't think the phrase "As Catholics, we put what 'God ' wants, first. " Is best to be using. Are you a human, or a slave of god?

If god did create us, to serve him, why are we able to think, he can make a human being, he can sure as hell make us mindless workers. Can a person be happy in a life of servitude?

Really look at that, putting God's desires and wants before your own, its all about him. Doesn't sound like a god I would want to believe in, that is one reason I don't understand Christianity, I do respect it, its another religion, and another choice, but I don't understand it, not one bit. I can understand a religion where the God/Gods are there to give examples and guidance, not to rule over you like a king or emperor.

[Clover]

nicely said, Gaian Dreamer.

[Aloysius]

I didn't say you did, but the way you spoke brought it to my mind.  Its a decent question, could consider a response to it.  But I personally, don't think the phrase "As Catholics, we put what 'God ' wants, first. " Is best to be using.  Are you a human, or a slave of god?

If god did create us, to serve him, why are we able to think, he can make a human being, he can sure as hell make us mindless workers.  Can a person be happy in a life of servitude?

Really look at that, putting God's desires and wants before your own, its all about him.  Doesn't sound like a god I would want to believe in, that is one reason I don't understand Christianity, I do respect it, its another religion, and another choice, but I don't understand it, not one bit.  I can understand a religion where the God/Gods are there to give examples and guidance, not to rule over you like a king or emperor.

u know what, this exactly the reason i believe Christianity to be the one religion out there that has any merit at all. If man were to create a religion, it would be based on his wants, his happiness. it would never declare anything wrong as long as it felt good and didn't harm another.

But Christianity is RADICALLY DIFFERENT from every other religion in the world. We serve God first. We take up our cross and follow Him. We suffer for love of Him who suffered without deserving to. If you go into any other religous building in the world u'd prolly see statues of their founder or god in glory. u walk into a Catholic Church, and u see our God, our founder, our King, our High Priest, our most Holy Prophet, hanging on a cross suffering.

doesn't sound like a God you'd want to worship? exactly! u would only want something that gives you nice feelings, something easy. WHat Christianity is about is denying yourself, getting up, and following CHrist on His way to calvary. "Christian life is a sacrifice" ~Pope St. Peter

What other religions are about is embracing yourself and feeling good

that's right. i just told u to be Christian is difficult, you will suffer, you could very well be killed for it (not as likely now adays, but still), it is about following someone who suffered and died for the truth, it is about denying yourself and serving the Almighty creatory. And the Creatory gave us free will to either follow what Satan did in pride and self-worship, or follow what Christ did in complete obedience to the will of the Father.

so if it's all those things, suffering, denying yourself etc. etc., y would so many ppl follow it? maybe it's because there is a certain amazing Truth to it.

"As for me and my Household, we will serve the LORD"

srry if that was a lil off the topic of this Deja Vu stuff

"God bless those pagans" ~Homer Simpson

[Gaian Dreamer]

I have one thing to say without making a long speech about it, and I dont really mean offense but...Ah, forget it, I can't say it, honestly I'd prolly just be kicked from the board.

I do enjoy it so; Im just gonna say that you can serve your God, Ruler, King....Führer...What ever you want to call him, I will not object to the way you live your lives.

But honestly as I early stated, Clairvoyance, or Deja Vu, what ever you may call it is a gift that for what ever reason your God calls evil, yet still allows you to have. You may do as you please, embrace it or deminish it. Its a gift you have been given, apprently not by your own God, as he disapproves of it. So do as you will, it is your choice, and only yours.

Edited October 9, 2003 by Gaian Dreamer

[mulls]

i can thinking of a tv episode or movie which i haven't seen in a real long time, and then a few days after i think about it, it will be on!

does that count?

[Lil Red]

I do enjoy it so; Im just gonna say that you can serve your God, Ruler, King....Führer...What ever you want to call him, I will not object to the way you live your lives.

I'm confused.... are you likening God, one of mercy, justice, grace, and love.....to Hitler?

If so, I guess I have to say I'm kind of offended. :angry:

[Aloysius]

if it happens in dreams and such, it could be a gift from God

if you actively seek it out, you are prolly gonna fall into the grasp of the Devil

God gave power to His angels to affect the forces of nature. Some of His angels got prideful and now are out there with such power from God. we are not meant to affect such forces for it is an unnecessary distraction to lead us away.

Christianity is the only religion that doesn't give in to human feelings and emotions when teaching on Moral Truth. Truth is truth is truth is Truth. your feelings can't change what is true. your thoughts cant change what is true. and the truth is, there is evil out there. and we will serve the Lord, you may go serve whoever you'd like. i'll tell u right now though, don't think you're free because u dont serve God's will. you are a slave to your emotions. Jesus is truth, and the Truth will set you free. and freedom is found in servitude to our God.

[Jake Huether]

I had a "second sight" moment the other day. I think it's God's curious way of saying, "I'm here, and see what I can do?" If there wasn't a God, then how on earth could I know the future? It's a subtle proof that there is more than meets the eye.

God is good to us, and we take that for granted. I don't think it is a gift for us to "give away", so to speak. Like the Gift of Love - we don't keep to ourselves. This "second sight" is a Gift for us ONLY. It isn't to be used at all. It is in itself a gift. A gift of proof. God is here.