Theoketos Posted October 25, 2004 Share Posted October 25, 2004 [quote name='qfnol31' date='Oct 24 2004, 06:15 PM'] Divine Liturgies are gorgeous! I like all the Masses, but have not seen a Tridentine Mass that can compare with the best Novus Ordo Mass I've been to.. [/quote] Ditto, <see St. Peter's Basilica in Roma> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted October 25, 2004 Share Posted October 25, 2004 I prefer the regular Mass offered at my parish or cathedral to a Trid. DL is awesome to see, but doesn't feel like Mass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted October 25, 2004 Share Posted October 25, 2004 [quote name='Theoketos' date='Oct 24 2004, 07:56 PM'] Ditto, <see St. Peter's Basilica in Roma> [/quote] I can't wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinner Posted October 25, 2004 Share Posted October 25, 2004 Ohhhhhhhh........ like an Eastern Orthodox is DL....... now I get it. Ummm well I doubt I'll be going to that. But I do hope to attend a Tridentine mass approved by our Diocese soon (tipped off by Dust I was) so I really cant vote yet cause I barely remember it as a child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted October 25, 2004 Share Posted October 25, 2004 [quote name='qfnol31' date='Oct 24 2004, 07:15 PM'] I like all the Masses, but have not seen a Tridentine Mass that can compare with the best Novus Ordo Mass I've been to.. [/quote] I think I'm being baited. However, if I defend the opposite I would do so in violation of the forum guidlines. (How is the above statement not a violation or is it permissable to say that the N.O. is better than the Trid.? If so, this is terribly inconsistent.) Let me just say this, and leave it as ambiguous as I can. If your statement is true, then you are either judging the two on extremely superficial grounds or you have never seen a well done Trid. Mass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted October 25, 2004 Share Posted October 25, 2004 [quote name='Sinner' date='Oct 24 2004, 11:54 PM'] Ohhhhhhhh........ like an Eastern Orthodox is DL....... now I get it. Ummm well I doubt I'll be going to that. [/quote] There are several eastern rites that are in union with Rome (Melkites, Ruthenian, etc.). These you can go to if you woyuld like to experience a Divine Liturgy. It is well worth the visit. Here is a directory: [url="http://www.crosslink.net/~hrycak/ch_indx-s.html"]http://www.crosslink.net/~hrycak/ch_indx-s.html[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeenaBobba Posted October 25, 2004 Author Share Posted October 25, 2004 [quote name='popestpiusx' date='Oct 25 2004, 08:45 AM'] Let me just say this, and leave it as ambiguous as I can. If your statement is true, then you are either judging the two on extremely superficial grounds or you have never seen a well done Trid. Mass. [/quote] You seem to be assuming that there must be something wrong with him because he prefers the Novus Ordo. I hope I'm wrong, but you seem to be hinting that the Novus Ordo is objectively inferior to the Tridentine Mass. That's the sort of thing I don't want on my thread. If you prefer the Tridentine Mass -- but do not have any problems with the Novus Ordo -- then you're fine with me. Something tells me that's not the case, though. I didn't get the impression that Zach thinks the Tridentine Mass is inferior. What he did say is that he prefers the Novus Ordo. A lot of Catholics do because they find it easier to understand. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, so long as they don't talk a lot of smack about the Tridentine Mass. You see, whether one feels more spiritually fed at the Novus Ordo, the Divine Liturgy, or the Tridentine Mass is largely subjective, i.e., it'll vary from person to person. God bless, Jen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeenaBobba Posted October 25, 2004 Author Share Posted October 25, 2004 [quote name='popestpiusx' date='Oct 25 2004, 08:45 AM'] I think I'm being baited. However, if I defend the opposite I would do so in violation of the forum guidlines. (How is the above statement not a violation or is it permissable to say that the N.O. is better than the Trid.? If so, this is terribly inconsistent.) [/quote] Again, I think you're reading too much into his post. Notice that he said he likes all Catholic liturgies. When he said he thinks the Novus Ordo is better than the Tridentine Mass, he was just giving his opinion. He didn't say, or even imply, that the Novus Ordo was objectively superior to the Tridentine Mass. I really don't want any arguing on this thread, okay? God bless, Jen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theculturewarrior Posted October 25, 2004 Share Posted October 25, 2004 Any of these are fine with me...just as long as there is chant and incense and all the trappings of traditional liturgy. Personally, I find the best liturgy is at AU parishes, although I've never been to an Eastern Catholic Divine Liturgy. Go Anglican Use! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted October 25, 2004 Share Posted October 25, 2004 (edited) [quote name='BeenaBobba' date='Oct 25 2004, 09:34 AM'] Again, I think you're reading too much into his post. [/quote] Perhaps you are right. Perhaps not. [quote]I really don't want any arguing on this thread, okay? [/quote] I have no intention of strting an argument. I was simply pointing out what seems to be an intolerable acceptance of anti-Tridentine rhetoric, but a complete forbidance of any critique of the N.O. But as you said, perhaps I am reading to much into his comment. On that note, I will say no more, except that I apologize if I misunderstood. Edited October 25, 2004 by popestpiusx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theoketos Posted October 25, 2004 Share Posted October 25, 2004 PSPX did not mean to bait you. Sorry. I have been to quite a few Trinitine Mass, most were exquisite and reverant. I enjoy going to them. Often the Churches that they are in really make the mass. But, I must admit, that the Best and most beautiful Masses, I have been too have been in the Novus Order. That is all I am saying, and I think that is what Q man ment... Beauty is really subjective, though it is based upon objective principles...We must keep that in mind... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted October 25, 2004 Share Posted October 25, 2004 (edited) [quote name='popestpiusx' date='Oct 25 2004, 06:45 AM'] I think I'm being baited. However, if I defend the opposite I would do so in violation of the forum guidlines. (How is the above statement not a violation or is it permissable to say that the N.O. is better than the Trid.? If so, this is terribly inconsistent.) Let me just say this, and leave it as ambiguous as I can. If your statement is true, then you are either judging the two on extremely superficial grounds or you have never seen a well done Trid. Mass. [/quote] I'm sorry if you thought that. It partly has to do with the Tridentine Mass in the area isn't quite as nice as it probably could be, but that's just me. I love the Tridentine Mass. I can't say which I think is objectively better, it was more a statement of subjectivity, based on the ones I've been to. Sorry if that looked like a comment against them in general. I do love all the Liturgies! ed: "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder." Plato Edited October 25, 2004 by qfnol31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 (edited) [quote name='qfnol31' date='Oct 25 2004, 04:06 PM'] "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder." Plato [/quote] False statement. Beauty is objective. Why? Beacause God, who is [b]The Beautiful[/b] is the standard and all things are more or less beautiful depending on how close they are to or how much they participate in, to His Beauty. Edited October 26, 2004 by popestpiusx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 By the way, thanks for the clarification. I hope my misunderstanding did not upset? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAZEr Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 Pizza and beer mass at the Newman Center down the road . . :twisted: just kidding!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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