Guest rich lk 11 28 Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 There ar no "extra Biblical Traditions" that are neccessary for Salvation or the Church of Jesus Christ. You can test this, take a peice of paper and write down your list of Traditions that challenge this. I am interested in your response to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Well, if the Scriptures are necessary for salvation, then don't we need to know what the Scriptures are? Therefore, the Canon of Scriptures, which is extra-Biblical, is necessary by your own argument? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs. Bro. Adam Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 What is scripture? Scripture are the words God/Christ spoke, correct? I don't see every word God spoke in the Bible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 I also find it interesting that your screenname, which (correct me if I'm wrong) leads me to Luke 11:28 gives me, "He replied, 'Rather, blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it.'" Tradition, an observance of the Word of God, is supported in your own screenname. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DojoGrant Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Scripture is written tradition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rich lk 11 28 Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Rapheal, your agrument would make sense if Scripture was from man. However it is not, Scripture is from God. Man either accepts it or rejects it. Man does not create Scripture, it is from God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rich lk 11 28 Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Dojo Scripture is the Word of God. in Eph 6:17 we are told that the sword of the Spirit is the word of God, not the Traditions of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Where in the Bible does it say the Bible is all that is necessary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thessalonian Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 [quote name='rich lk 11 28' date='Oct 21 2004, 03:09 PM'] There ar no "extra Biblical Traditions" that are neccessary for Salvation or the Church of Jesus Christ. You can test this, take a peice of paper and write down your list of Traditions that challenge this. I am interested in your response to this. [/quote] Where in the Bible does it say there are no extra biblical traditions that are neccessary for salvation? If it does not say it anywhere then I would think that you are using an extrabiblical tradition to support your claim. On a lighter note I cannot find anything in the Catholic faith that is not implicit in scripture. The problem with you guys is you require explicitness from us while desmonstrating that implicit is an acceptable level for yourselves. i.e. there is no verse that says the Lord's Supper is just a symbol. Last I checked symbol != to remeberence. There are 273 verses in the NT that use the word faith. Only one uses the word alone next to it (and that one isn't going to help your case much, it's in James). Yet somehow we are to believe that the Bible explicitly says salvation is by faith alone. Blessings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 [quote name='rich lk 11 28' date='Oct 21 2004, 04:31 PM'] Rapheal, your agrument would make sense if Scripture was from man. However it is not, Scripture is from God. Man either accepts it or rejects it. Man does not create Scripture, it is from God. [/quote] No, that's a red herring. Scripture is the Word of God, but nowhere in Scripture is the Canon of Scripture included. Therefore, the Tradition of the Canon of Scripture, a Tradition from outside the Scriptures, is still necessary, if in fact, we need the Scriptures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 The Bible is a conspiracy theory without an outside authority validating that the canon is inspired. Sola Scripture implodes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 Rich, my friend, you have a great deal to learn. Almost none of the Catholics on this board came to the point we are at today in ignorance. Many of us are converts from fundamentalist backrounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frozencell Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 I think the Bible is a great tool by itself for beginning a walk with God. Kind of like a 1st grade math book. But as we mature and grow in our faith we are able to progress into more in depth Christian learning. More like being in college. It's rare that you're going to pass a college class by learning and studying ONLY what's in that $150 book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 The Catholic Church started in 33 AD, the New Testament was canoned around 397AD by the Catholic church. We decided what books were in and what were not: the Bible as we have it today came from the Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benedict Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 Rich, You could have saved time by responding to my answers to your oft-mentioned challenge on Catholic Discussion instead of just leaving. It did not stand up there; it will not stand up here. "There are no extra-Biblical traditions required for the Church or salvation" has been repeatedly proven wrong to you and thus your constant reiteration of it borders on bearing false witness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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