Sola Scriptura

[Paladin D]

If that wasn't sarcastic that made no sense.

I'll assume it was sarcastic.

I believe it was sarcastic.

[cmotherofpirl]

I believe it was sarcastic.

He was confused, thats why he is playing ostrich with his head in the sand.

You can come up now legion :lol:

[Anna]

So, what's your point?

James 2:24 is "See how a person is justified by works and NOT by faith alone."

Edited October 8, 2003 by Anna

[foundsheep]

John 8:31-32

31 ..."If you abide in My word, you are My disciples inDouche...

32  And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Hebrews 4:12

12 ... the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Col 3:16-17

16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom, teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.

17 And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him.

Also if Jesus is the Word, and Jesus is your role moded, your God and your saviour. How can Sola Scriptura be proven wrong?

I wish you would start putting the entire verses down instead of trying to "put enough" to prove your point. Ive noticed that on several of your post.

[foundsheep]

Luther declared several of these books "apocrypha" or "uninspired" some 1200 years later, after 1500 years of Christians believed the Truths they contain.

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Dont forget the church of England also changing it. Lets all remember the King James Bible.

Edited October 8, 2003 by foundsheep

[Anna]

Once one man began tampering with Sacred Scriptures, why not others?

The Catholic Bible, however, has remained the same since the day of St. Jerome. Augustine was a follower of Jerome. The Church safeguards the Sacred Scriptures, Traditions, and writings of the Early Church Fathers.

[foundsheep]

Once one man began tampering with Sacred Scriptures, why not others?

The Catholic Bible, however, has remained the same since the day of St. Jerome.  Augustine was a follower of Jerome.  The Church safeguards the Sacred Scriptures, Traditions, and writings of the Early Church Fathers.

St. Jerome's work was wonderful. As you can see by my quote Im a fan. He was my saint at conformation.

[Trooper4DaHolyG]

I wish you would start putting the entire verses down instead of trying to "put enough" to prove your point. Ive noticed that on several of your post.

i have never done it on another post, why does this bother you?

[Katholikos]

i think this has to be the shortest thread on sola scriptura in  a long time...

ya know i have the patrick madrid 2 cassette tape on his public debate against Protestant James White on the subject Sola Scripture.

James White is a protestant is very anti-catholic. his sister, who was just like him converted to Catholicism!! Praise God!! (read about her in "Surprised by Truth "Part 3)

funny...patrick madrid asked him the exact same thing and that guy did not have the answer.

patrick madrid bought down the house with the truth of catholicism.

its amesome, you got to get it.

B)

Little Flower, where did you get the Patrick Madrid vs. James White Sola Scriptura tapes? I gotta have 'em.

Patty Bonds, James White's sister that you wrote about, lives in my city , and so does he . I've heard her speak and used to be on a discussion list with her. Her conversion story is amazing (available at chnetwork.org for anyone who does not have Surprised by Truth 3). She's completely amesome. Ditto her family (husband and two daughters are also Catholic now -- two daughters down, one to go, she says).

James White is a professional anti-Catholic who makes his living beating on the Church. His sister's conversion to the Truth was a monumental happening, because she was just as anti-Catholic as he is! Please pray for the conversion of the enemies of the Church!

Ave Cor Mariae, Katholikos

Edited October 15, 2003 by Katholikos

[BLAZEr]

Just wanted to drag this one out of the closet . . . because still NO ONE has been able to show that SCRIPTURE ALONE is a Biblically based teaching . . .

Anyone, anyone . . . throw me a bone here people? Don't let the most fundamental tenet of your Faith get passed by . . .

Where in the Bible does it say "scripture alone" is the authoritative Word of God?

[Paladin D]

I think it'd be best if we as a group visited a non-Catholic forum. To debate the whole sola scriptura issue.

[Anna]

Queen Flowery?

The tape?

A defense of Sola Scriptura...is there such a thing?

It appears not.....

Pax Christi. <><

[ICTHUS]

I think it'd be best if we as a group visited a non-Catholic forum.  To debate the whole sola scriptura issue.

YES.

www.christianguitar.org/forums

[ICTHUS]

First off, I'd like to point out a couple of Scriptures that supposedly prove Sola Scriptura.

Acts 17:10-12

In Berea

10As soon as it was night, the brothers sent Paul and Silas away to Berea. On arriving there, they went to the Jewish synagogue. 11Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. 12Many of the Jews believed, as did also a number of prominent Greek women and many Greek men.

Many Protestants exegete the highlighted passage to mean that Scripture Alone is our infallible rule of faith, since the first century Jews thought that the teaching of the apostles was to be judged against the Scriptures - hence, Scripture is an infallible rule of faith.

I have given the defence, in past, that these are 1st Century Jews we're talking about, so naturally they would look to the Scriptures if this man were preaching that the Messiah had come, as they would have wanted to know if Paul was "the real shabang".

However, the counter-argument I've recieved is that the Jews considered Scripture alone authoritative here, therefore Scripture Alone is authoritative elsewhere.

Next, we turn to 2 Tim 3:10-17

10You, however, know all about my teaching, my way of life, my purpose, faith, patience, love, endurance, 11persecutions, sufferings--what kinds of things happened to me in Antioch, Iconium and Lystra, the persecutions I endured. Yet the Lord rescued me from all of them. 12In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, 13while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. 14But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, 15and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

2 Tim 3:16 (Gk) "16Pasa graphe theopneustos kai opsielimos pros didaskalian, pros elegchon, pros epanorthosin, pros paideian ten en dikaiosune,17 ina artios ho tou Theou anthropos, pros pan ergon agathon exertismenos.

I draw your attention to the word "artios" in v. 16.

Artios, according to Strongs concordance, means

1) fitted

2) complete, perfect

a) having reference apparently to "special aptitude for given uses"

If the man of God, therefore, is complete (artios) or perfect by the Scriptures for EVERY ("pan", in Greek, can mean either "all" or "every") good work (ergon agathon), then Scripture is our infallible rule of faith - or so a Protestant would argue (and so I have heard our good buddy mustbenothing argue!)

Any thoughts?

[BLAZEr]

First of all, what Scriptures were the Bereans referring to? The New Testament? The Gospels? NO! They were looking at the Old Testament. The Jewish scriputres. If anything this just goes to show that the New Testament is a fulfillment of the Old.

Second

14But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, 15and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Here again, St. Paul is referring to the Old Testametn Scriptures. However it is important to point out what I highlighted above. It seems that St. Paul is here referring to the Teaching authority of the Apostles and their assistants . . . those whom they "learned" it from.