CatholicAndFanatical Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 What if I told you that I believe Jesus is spiritually present with me every minute of every day, communion or otherwise? [jas] Jesus is present with all of us every second of the day, weeping when we dont do as He asks and when we sin, Proud when we sustain from temptation and ask Him for help. Joyous when we come back to him when we choose to leave His side. But, as IronMonk pointed out, we have free will, Jesus maybe watching over us, but if we dont follow Him and what He asks of us, He sits and weeps. Jesus wants to help us and be with us, but you have to let Him and the only way to let Him be with us is to be in Union with Him and His Church, to love His Church is to Love Him. To Deny His Church is to Deny Him. Jesus gave us His Body and Blood so that He can be with us intimatly, so that When the Heavenly Father looks down at me, he doesnt see me, but see's His Son that is living in me, Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity and God takes me as His son. Because through Jesus, we are sons and daughters of God. St. Paul took the Eucharist seriously, why shouldnt we? If it was a mere symbol St. Paul wouldnt of said in 1 Corinthians (11:27): "Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord." (thanks Donna) Why would a mere symbol be worth drinking judgment over? It wouldnt, St. Paul knew it was truely the Body and Blood of Christ. This is why no one that has mortal sin on their soul shall partake of this Eucharist, they will need to have an examination of conscience, use the Sacrement of Reconciliation and be free and clean, then and only then be able to Recieve Christ like it was intended to be. CatholicAndFanatical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[jas] Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 (edited) Yes but He is physically present to us in the Eucharist. Yes I know that's what you believe. That's not what I was responding to though. Edited October 3, 2003 by [jas] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicAndFanatical Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 Bump was typing at the same time. what are the odds huh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 (edited) ,Oct 3 2003, 12:19 PM] Yes I know that's what you believe. That's not what I was responding to though. No one wrote that Jesus isn't present spritiually for you. Point is that only in the Catholic Church (and Orthodox for the technical people) is present in Body, Blood, and Divinity... We actually eat the flesh of God. Why do you think the early Christians were called cannibals? Because we do eat Jesus' Flesh, and drink His Blood... St. John 6:54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. 55 For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him. St. John 6:60 Then many of his disciples who were listening said, "This saying is hard; who can accept it?" St. John 6:65 And he said, "For this reason I have told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by my Father." 66 As a result of this, many (of) his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him. To those that cannot accept that Jesus is really present, I would guess that maybe it's not your fault, since no one can come to Christ unless granted by the Father. If you don't believe in the Real Pressence, then if I was you, I would pray to be called by God. Your Servant in Christ, ironmonk Edited October 3, 2003 by ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicAndFanatical Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 To those that cannot accept that Jesus is really present, I would guess that maybe it's not your fault, since no one can come to Christ unless granted by the Father. If you don't believe in the Real Pressence, then if I was you, I would pray to be called by God. I second that motion, excellent post ironmonk. It is interesting how the verse and chapter where the disciples left Jesus was 6:66..hmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 Â I second that motion, excellent post ironmonk. Â Â It is interesting how the verse and chapter where the disciples left Jesus was 6:66..hmm That too I have often wondered... I'm thankful that I am not counted with those who turned away from Christ in St. John 6:66. Your Servant in Christ, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeToma Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 Jesus drank wine and in fact was called a drunkard because he drank wine by those who despised him. Luke 7:33-34 33For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, 'He has a demon.' 34The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and "sinners." ' This passage tells us that John the Baptist stood out among the people of that time because he came neither eating bread nor drinking wine (the most common forms of food and drink at the time) and thus some claimed he must be possessed! Jesus, however, did eat bread and drink wine, and people STILL weren't happy and called him a glutton and a drunkard. Just evidence once again that you can't please everybody. Now Jesus could not have been accused of being a drunkard had he not drank alcoholic wine. So claiming that the "fruit of the vine" that he partook of was non-alcoholic is anti-biblical and irrational. Jesus chose bread and wine because they are the most fundamental food items around. God chose bread and wine in the Old Testament at the first recorded sacrifice to God... Genesis 14:18 18 Then Melchizedek king of Salem [1] brought out bread and wine. He was priest of God Most High, In Scriptures description of the food for the Priests both bread and wine are included along with the sacrificial lamb of course... Exodus 29:31-46 In the new testament for His first miracle Jesus turns water that was used in ritual cleansing rites into wine (not just wine but "the best wine")... John 2:1-11 (Wedding at Cana) Then at the Last Supper Jesus turns Wine into His Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity (or what I call "the best blood" and "the best body") and now the blood (which WAS wine) of the Lamb of God (His Body which WAS bread) purifies God's children more truly than any previous ritual throughout salvation history... Matthew 26:17-30; Mark 14:12-26; Luke 22:7-28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FX2 Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 you know what im thinking is that after the consecration, its not bread or wine OR grape juice, its the body and blood of Jesus Christ, something way more powerful than wine. And anyway, i believe drunkeness is a sin, not drinking. And when have you heard someone getting drunk at church while reciving communion? G2G ~Fx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted October 4, 2003 Share Posted October 4, 2003 you know what im thinking is that after the consecration, its not bread or wine OR grape juice, its the body and blood of Jesus Christ, something way more powerful than wine. And anyway, i believe drunkeness is a sin, not drinking. And when have you heard someone getting drunk at church while reciving communion? G2G ~Fx Yes, the Church teaches that getting drunk is a sin and drinking is not a sin. but... drunk depends on the person... just because someone is .08 does not mean their drunk... God Bless, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooper4DaHolyG Posted October 4, 2003 Share Posted October 4, 2003 (edited) just because someone is .08? Would that get them off a speeding fine? I was just drinking Jesus' blood! I don't this post is very constructive any more, just seems to be another issue in the Catholic Church without a full stop Edited October 4, 2003 by Trooper4DaHolyG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted October 4, 2003 Share Posted October 4, 2003 (edited) just because someone is .08? Would that get them off a speeding fine? I was just drinking Jesus' blood! I don't this post is very constructive any more, just seems to be another issue in the Catholic Church without a full stop We forgive you, because you do not know what you do. Read St. John 6:66... that is who you are counted with. -ironmonk Edited October 4, 2003 by ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skuba steve Posted October 4, 2003 Share Posted October 4, 2003 i was just reading though this thread... all you catholics constantly contradict each other a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 4, 2003 Share Posted October 4, 2003 i was just reading though this thread... all you catholics constantly contradict each other a lot. In what way? Certainly not on Church doctrine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skuba steve Posted October 4, 2003 Share Posted October 4, 2003 yeah. Everyone has slightly different interpretations and stuff... or even very different. Its part of being human i guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 4, 2003 Share Posted October 4, 2003 yeah. Everyone has slightly different interpretations and stuff... or even very different. Its part of being human i guess. Nope, sorry, that's just not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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