G-Freak12 Posted October 16, 2004 Share Posted October 16, 2004 Hey y'all sorry I havent posted in a long time I've just been really busy with school and such.... Anyways I just read a few posts here about the death penalty (GAH I CANT SPELL) I am 100% completly AGAINST it, for a few reasons; number one because the bible says "thou shall not kill" well no matter what the person did one does not deserve to die because one commited a crime because we are all God's children no matter what, number two; because what if a person is wrongly accused and didn't really commit the crime he/she was accused of you cant give a person their life back like a few of you have already said. Number three; I have heard of a few stories where people who were mentally challenged were exicuted(again like i said i cant spell lol), and most of the mentally challenged people who commited the crimes didnt have the mental compasity to know what they were doing was wrong.... I heard of a story about a guy who was mentally challenged who was exicuted because he killed someone, The sad thing about it is he had absolutly NO idea that what he was doing was wrong because the man grew up in a abusive home and was beaten every time he did something wrong or that annoyed someone in the house, the reason he killed someone was because when he was watching tv the group home he lived in for mentally challenged adults a guy took the remote from him and changed the channel this annoyed him and he started beating the individuale with his hands and some objects he could get his hands on and unfortunitly the beating led to the persons death, the man was arrested and put on death row, what haunted me for weeks after i heard this story was a mans voice going through my head saying "may i please finish my cherry pie later?" because when the officer went into the mans cell to get him for his exicution he didnt finish his last dessert and he said to that to the officer and the officer replied "sure why not?" unhuman problems DONT CALL forunhuman solutions... I hate some of the legal systems solutions to peoples crimes these days like one story I heard on the Oprah Show(make fun of me later for watching the Oprah show just dont do it now I'm not in the mood) There was a woman who was sexually abused and raped by her step-dad all her life and one day she couldnt take the pain anymore so she shot him, and of coarse was sent to jail she was sentenced to 7 yrs in jail, the man a few yrs before he was shot was sent to jail for only SIX months because of the abuse and the raping, WHAT HAS THE WORLD COME TOO??!?!?? THIS MAN TORTURED THIS WOMAN AND WAS ONLY GIVEN 6 MONTHS IN JAIL?!??!?!?! I know killing the man was completly wrong but If I were her, and I was raped and tortured like she was I would kill my step father too because he would be a sick in the head person. I CANT BELEIVE SHE WAS GIVEN 7 YRS IN JAIL THAT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME OH MY GOODNESS I SERIOUSLY THINK THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH THE JUDGE WHO GAVE HER THAT SENTENCE BECAUSE IT WAS NOT TOTALLY HER FAULT SHE KILLED HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the woman's sister said in the interveiw that her sister was completly distroyed by him, she did drugs, didnt behave good in school attempted to commit suicide several times all because of him... I think we should all pray for this woman and the womans family and the man who raped her because they are in HUGE NEED of prayers!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted October 16, 2004 Share Posted October 16, 2004 Actually the bible says "Thou shalt not murder". Murder is the deliberate taking of a human life. which is not the same as killing, since killing can be accidental. If you murder someone you forfeit your own life in return. The legal system is not perfect and there are extenuating circumstances in many cases that need considered, but the death penalty in itself is not wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Freak12 Posted October 16, 2004 Author Share Posted October 16, 2004 in your opinion that is.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Freak12 Posted October 16, 2004 Author Share Posted October 16, 2004 and I think killing anyone for any reason even suicide is murder, and I beleive that the people who do the exicuting are murdering because like I said I think killing anyone for any perpous is murder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs. Bro. Adam Posted October 16, 2004 Share Posted October 16, 2004 For someone to murder antoher person, there has to be malicious intent. They must be meaning to take the life of another for a reason, whether it be inconvience, selfishness (abortion), revenge, whatnot. When you take a life in malicious intent, you give your right up. To take the right of another, you must give your right up. The justice systems does not implement the death penalty immediately. They have ample opportunities to appeal, or even get pardoned. Here's a few questions for you: You say that all killing is murder. 1. Do you eat meat? 2. What if someone is in war? It's your life or his. 3. Do you drive? If so, it's a very slippery and snowy day. You hit a patch of ice. You lose control of the car. You hit another car. The driver isn't as fortunate as you. He dies. Did you murder him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Freak12 Posted October 16, 2004 Author Share Posted October 16, 2004 Killing someone for not a good reason is what I meant sorry I forgot to specify that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs. Bro. Adam Posted October 16, 2004 Share Posted October 16, 2004 [quote]There was a woman who was sexually abused and raped by her step-dad all her life and one day she couldnt take the pain anymore so she shot him, and of coarse was sent to jail she was sentenced to 7 yrs in jail, the man a few yrs before he was shot was sent to jail for only SIX months because of the abuse and the raping, WHAT HAS THE WORLD COME TOO??!?!?? THIS MAN TORTURED THIS WOMAN AND WAS ONLY GIVEN 6 MONTHS IN JAIL?!??!?!?! I know killing the man was completly wrong but If I were her, and I was raped and tortured like she was I would kill my step father too because he would be a sick in the head person. I CANT BELEIVE SHE WAS GIVEN 7 YRS IN JAIL THAT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME OH MY GOODNESS I SERIOUSLY THINK THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH THE JUDGE WHO GAVE HER THAT SENTENCE BECAUSE IT WAS NOT TOTALLY HER FAULT SHE KILLED HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [/quote] Cry me a river. Ok...she went through hard times, but we all do. She was abused, whoop-de-do, that doesn't give her the right or excuse the murder her stepfather. Two wrongs don't make a right, nor does another's violence give another the right to commit violence to another. It ultimately comes down to two choices for those who have grown up in violence: 1. Continue the streak or 2. Forgive and live a better life. Those that continue the streak do it because they've chosen to. You have the choice to change. Those that don't change don't because they're too lazy to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted October 16, 2004 Share Posted October 16, 2004 [quote name='G-Freak12' date='Oct 16 2004, 01:26 PM'] and I think killing anyone for any reason even suicide is murder, and I beleive that the people who do the exicuting are murdering because like I said I think killing anyone for any perpous is murder [/quote] You are re-defining a word then, for your own purposes. That does not change the difference between murder and killing. One is forbidden, the other is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs. Bro. Adam Posted October 16, 2004 Share Posted October 16, 2004 [quote name='G-Freak12' date='Oct 16 2004, 01:43 PM'] Killing someone for not a good reason is what I meant sorry I forgot to specify that [/quote] Make up your mind. Let's define murder: Dictionary: [quote]The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice. [/quote]. The death penalty is not murder. It has no premeditated malice, or any malice at all. It is lawful. You can't say that you'd do the same thing, and be against the death penalty. If you had done what the woman did, then you punished him (gave him the penalty) or death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Freak12 Posted October 16, 2004 Author Share Posted October 16, 2004 "It ultimately comes down to two choices for those who have grown up in violence: 1. Continue the streak or 2. Forgive and live a better life. Those that continue the streak do it because they've chosen to. You have the choice to change. Those that don't change don't because they're too lazy to." are u refering to the man who was handicapped or the woman???? im confused Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs. Bro. Adam Posted October 16, 2004 Share Posted October 16, 2004 Was the man born with a mental handicap, or was it the violence that warped his mind. The woman for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Freak12 Posted October 16, 2004 Author Share Posted October 16, 2004 The man was born with a mental disability! Geesh what else do you think gives someone the mental compasity of a 5 yr old!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs. Bro. Adam Posted October 16, 2004 Share Posted October 16, 2004 That was never said in your post. I have a passion for those with mental handicaps, in fact, one day I will open a daycare for only mentally challenged children, or those up to a certain mental compasity. The facts still stand. Two choices. Whichever you choose will have consequences, although one choice will be much better than the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs. Bro. Adam Posted October 16, 2004 Share Posted October 16, 2004 [quote] I heard of a story about a guy who was mentally challenged who was exicuted because he killed someone, The sad thing about it is he had absolutly NO idea that what he was doing was wrong because the man grew up in a abusive home and was beaten every time he did something wrong or that annoyed someone in the house,[/quote] That is all the information which you provided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted October 16, 2004 Share Posted October 16, 2004 (edited) [quote name='G-Freak12' date='Oct 16 2004, 02:01 PM'] The man was born with a mental disability! Geesh what else do you think gives someone the mental compasity of a 5 yr old!? [/quote] Even people with severe mental retardation know right from wrong. This is one of he exceptions I was referring to. Edited October 16, 2004 by cmotherofpirl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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