Adam Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 (edited) Talk is Cheap. If I was on a show and wasn't Christian, having someone one a show tell me that I am degraded for having something in my body (which I can't take out anytime soon) would only make me feel like poo. I don't like breast implants, but there are better ways of dealing with that situation than preaching. Lack of social skills on the part of Matt. If I had my way on MTV...I would just win the game, have a good time, act like a Christian and keep my mouth shut. That way I don't NEED to tell people that I am Christian, they will see and they will know because they will SEE the difference for themselves. No one likes a preacher, and acting like one on MTV only gives people another reason to proliferate stupid stereotypes about Catholics being judgemental, bigoted and unforgiving. 'People get implants so that they can attract men', maybe the truth, but it isn't a forgiving statement, it also denies the very diverse and personally sensitive human experience. That's why I like the Catholic faith. It doesn't need to be loud, preachy or showy. A humbly lived life speaks for itself. Preach all the time, and if you must THEN use words. HAHA WERD! Sounds like he is one of those attention whore poser Catholic trying to make an image. Kind of like those guys who show up for Mass on Sundays just to be seen. Edited October 3, 2003 by Adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 People DO get offended when you talk how abortion is murder The truth hurts. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 HAHA WERD! Sounds like he is one of those attention whore poser Catholic trying to make an image. Kind of like those guys who show up for Mass on Sundays just to be seen. Isn't that pretty judgmental? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 Isn't that pretty judgmental? Got to use some judgement in this world. =) Or you would trip everytime your shoes came untied. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 Adam, have you heard the man speak? have you read any of his writings? you pass judgement with little or no evidence. i would say you are more of a 'poser' catholic who thinks he can evaluate other's with just a glance. get to know the man. check out his website or some of his writings on www.lifeteen.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAZEr Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 I've met Matt a few times. He shares a house with Matt Maher (the musician) in the Phoenix area where they both work full time for Lifeteen. Matt is Lifeteen's webmaster and National Spokesman. He is an incredible orthodox and faithful Catholic man. He attends daily mass and prays the rosary every day. I doubt many of us can say the same. Matt's the real deal, and I don't think he was being judgemental or preachy. I think people who irreligious, who have an animosity to God, also have an animosity to God's people. I think we saw an example of that. Matt was making a general statement about how "He felt sorry for girls" who are tricked by the culture to think that they have to have some imaginary "perfect" breast size. He could have said it a thousand different ways, but the result would have been the same. The girl with the implants had convinced herself that she "got them for all the right reasons." What a load of carp. The only reason I can come up with that would seem a good reason was maybe someone who had implants after a masectomy. I could see it as RECONSTRUCTIVE but the COSMETIC seems like a shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjtina Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 Remember, it's not about saying it rudely, or tacky, but Truthfully and with love and charity. Matt did that. She took it the wrong way b/c it stepped on her toes. Go MATT!!!!! B) Keep praying for Matt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjtina Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 Adam, obviously you have NEVER seen, heard or met this wonderful guy. Check out his websites, writings, etc. You shouldn't judge, because look at this example, you labeled a good orthodox Catholic a "poser". <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merrymexican Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 Got to use some judgement in this world. =) Or you would trip everytime your shoes came untied. How dare you make a judgement on a man you don't even know or have never seen. How dare you call him a poser. How dare you defame the good he has done. Whether Matt went about things properly or not is not the question. Matt was there for the right reasons. Matt struggled w/deciding on whether or not to go on the show because he knew how hard it would be to live his faith out as he does every day. He didn't go on the show and live out his faith because he was on the show. He lived out his faith on the show because he lives out his faith off the show. The only reason Matt went on this show was because he and LIFE TEEN thought it might be a good opportunity to reach out to more you. Praise God for that decision. I know it was not easy for Matt, as he knew the struggle it would be. I saw him wrestle with this decision. But he had the balls to do it. Matt knew that the MTV watchers would condemn him. But I wonder if he knew that you... his Catholic brothers and sisters, would also condemn him. I guess that's what was meant in the gospel "a prophet is not accepted in his own town' (loose translation). He is not even accepted among his bothers and sisters. I ask all of you to pray for Matt... pray that the people editing these shows will portray things in a positive light. Anyone who thinks that what they here on this show is the gospel truth is an idiot. I'm sure more went on in those conversations then what was shown. Please pray for the truth to be told (as offensive or unoffensive as it may be). (interesting thought... wonder if anyone was offended by St. Paul?... I guess so... they killed him) I could only hope that I would be like Paul... Matt is definitely on the right track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nippy316 Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 Good post. Welcome to phatmass!! Please introduce yourself in the checking in thread! Welcome again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjtina Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 Welcome MerryMexican! Introduce yourself in the CheckIn thread! Matt has prayer warriors here as well. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 (edited) How dare you make a judgement on a man you don't even know or have never seen. How dare you call him a poser. How dare you defame the good he has done. Whether Matt went about things properly or not is not the question. Matt was there for the right reasons. Matt struggled w/deciding on whether or not to go on the show because he knew how hard it would be to live his faith out as he does every day. He didn't go on the show and live out his faith because he was on the show. He lived out his faith on the show because he lives out his faith off the show. The only reason Matt went on this show was because he and LIFE TEEN thought it might be a good opportunity to reach out to more you. Praise God for that decision. I know it was not easy for Matt, as he knew the struggle it would be. I saw him wrestle with this decision. But he had the balls to do it. Matt knew that the MTV watchers would condemn him. But I wonder if he knew that you... his Catholic brothers and sisters, would also condemn him. I guess that's what was meant in the gospel "a prophet is not accepted in his own town' (loose translation). He is not even accepted among his bothers and sisters. I ask all of you to pray for Matt... pray that the people editing these shows will portray things in a positive light. Anyone who thinks that what they here on this show is the gospel truth is an idiot. I'm sure more went on in those conversations then what was shown. Please pray for the truth to be told (as offensive or unoffensive as it may be). (interesting thought... wonder if anyone was offended by St. Paul?... I guess so... they killed him) I could only hope that I would be like Paul... Matt is definitely on the right track. I didn't read most of your post, except first line... but I never met Bill Clinton or George Bush either, infact most of America has never met him... therfore, we judge him. Everything requires judgement, I judge what I know of.... so sue me, Edited October 3, 2003 by Adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merrymexican Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 I didn't read most of your post, except first line... but I never met Bill Clinton or George Bush either, infact most of America has never met him... therfore, we judge him. Everything requires judgement, I judge what I know of.... so sue me, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueRose Posted October 4, 2003 Share Posted October 4, 2003 I didn't read most of your post, except first line... but I never met Bill Clinton or George Bush either, infact most of America has never met him... therfore, we judge him. Everything requires judgement, I judge what I know of.... so sue me, To Adam: Just because everyone does it, does that make it okay for you to do it, too? A Statement on the Whole Issue: Go Matt. I am highly impressed with his courage not to hide behind a facade or mask his beliefs while surrounded by the MTV mindset that promotes sex (among other things); anyone tuning into the station would have to be blind not to see the high intensity of filth on there -- it's all about image, and sex, and partying, and doing whatever the heck you want to. So Thank God Matt stood up. It's about time somebody did, at least on there. He shed a light into the darkness. And by the way... Since when is Catholocism about staying quiet so as not to disturb/offend anyone else? God always stands up for us, even if it means being persecuted, betrayed, beat half to death, and crucified for it; there is no way that I will not stand up for Him, even if (socially) I meet a "similar" fate. Catholocism is not a religion for wusses. Yes, it's probably not right to get into people's faces and try to force our beliefs down their throats. And damning people to hell for their actions isn't cool either. But what Matt did is what I wish more Catholics would do, because nowadays when the world is falling apart around us (and if you don't believe me, go turn on your TV set) WE HAVE GOT TO STAND UP! So kudos to Matt, as well as my deepest respect and my thanks. It is not easy to hold true in one's faith when you are surrounded by people who dislike you for it. Been there, done that, and I know I'm not the only one who has; it's a shame that there aren't more people who do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeSoul Posted October 4, 2003 Share Posted October 4, 2003 O.k. HOOOOOOOOLD ON A MINUTE. Who is condemning? I am not saying that his life or soul is in mortal danger...or that he is a bad person. What I am saying is that his delivery needs work. A lack of social skills in this case doesn't equal to being satan's helper or anything deep. I don't think Matt is a poseur, or that his faith isn't real, or even that he is preachy necessarily. What I AM saying...is that he could have had better delivery. I don't think that it is sugar coating...unless we think that being sensitive to the feelings of others = sugar coating. Even if you DID 'sugar coat' something as insignificant as body odour that can be changed with one shower...wouldn't you CERTAINLY want to go easy on someone that had augmented their BREAST! A super-sexualised over-commodified organ which culture has led women and men to OBSESS over to extremes! Of course someone is going to be defensive over your comments on the subject, not because they want to bash you for being a Catholic, but because our brothers and sisters are dealing with ISSUES which we need to help them get through...it's all about compassionate ministry my friends... **Free steps off her pulpit** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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