theculturewarrior Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 [quote name='FutureNunJMJ' date='Oct 18 2004, 02:39 PM'] My mom doesn't want me to become a nun I listen to her, but I don't follow everything she tells me... [/quote] Let me tell you all something...you can move to Malaysia, convert to Islam, bomb the American Embassy and become incarcerated at Guantanamo Bay...or you can move to Mexico, marry a good Catholic person, and have eight babies and not a peso to feed the with... But wherever you go, you can't get away from your mom. She will always be your mom and it's a beautiful thing really. If your mom doesn't want you to go to Steubie, or to be a nun, I would definitely pray about it, and reflect on it, if nothing else, to honor your parents. Maybe you have a higher calling. Or maybe your mom sees something you don't. [i]Sometimes[/i] we have to be the role models to our parents! But she's still Mom! She was given that most honorable rank by God himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted October 18, 2004 Author Share Posted October 18, 2004 [quote name='IcePrincessKRS' date='Oct 18 2004, 03:39 PM'] Moms.... we're such a pain in the neck.... [/quote] Awww...I'm sure you're a great mom. My mother reminds me of a mix between Marie and Debra from "Everybody Loves Raymond" She's also verbally abusing and consistently brings down her children's moods, even calling us "stupid" and "morons" on occasion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theculturewarrior Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 [quote name='Raphael' date='Oct 18 2004, 02:47 PM'] She's also verbally abusing and consistently brings down her children's moods, even calling us "stupid" and "morons" on occasion. [/quote] That's sad. You certainly are no moron Raph! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted October 18, 2004 Author Share Posted October 18, 2004 [quote name='theculturewarrior' date='Oct 18 2004, 03:45 PM'] Let me tell you all something...you can move to Malaysia, convert to Islam, bomb the American Embassy and become incarcerated at Guantanamo Bay...or you can move to Mexico, marry a good Catholic person, and have eight babies and not a peso to feed the with... But wherever you go, you can't get away from your mom. She will always be your mom and it's a beautiful thing really. If your mom doesn't want you to go to Steubie, or to be a nun, I would definitely pray about it, and reflect on it, if nothing else, to honor your parents. Maybe you have a higher calling. Or maybe your mom sees something you don't. [i]Sometimes[/i] we have to be the role models to our parents! But she's still Mom! She was given that most honorable rank by God himself. [/quote] She's my mother, and I'll love her for it regardless of how she treats me, but I have to realize and take into account that she is only human. As far as my discernment goes, she knows [b]nothing[/b] about my interior life and is only worried about mundane concerns. As far as my discernment goes, she has no valid weight greater than my friends. Her role is as a mother, not as my vocation director. She neither has expertise, nor right, nor duty to dictate what I am called to. She may, on some level, be concerned about my well being, but she thinks my well-being is in doing what she wants, and it's not. It's in doing what God wants. It's important to note that she didn't ask me what God wanted me to do or what I wanted to do. She didn't ask what would make me happy. She didn't ask about what I felt called to. She didn't even really ask in any spirit or interest or growth. She asked as a means to debate and to discourage me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theculturewarrior Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 [quote name='Raphael' date='Oct 18 2004, 02:55 PM'] Her role is as a mother, not as my vocation director. She neither has expertise, nor right, nor duty to dictate what I am called to. [/quote] I think I bit off more than I can chew here. I'll be going now. :leave: Like I said, I can't relate. My mom [i]is[/i] my spiritual director. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted October 18, 2004 Author Share Posted October 18, 2004 [quote name='theculturewarrior' date='Oct 18 2004, 03:51 PM'] That's sad. You certainly are no moron Raph! [/quote] I know I'm not a moron. I'm a legume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanvean Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 [quote name='theculturewarrior' date='Oct 18 2004, 03:45 PM'] If your mom doesn't want you to go to Steubie, or to be a nun, I would definitely pray about it, and reflect on it, if nothing else, to honor your parents. Maybe you have a higher calling. Or maybe your mom sees something you don't. [i]Sometimes[/i] we have to be the role models to our parents! But she's still Mom! She was given that most honorable rank by God himself. [/quote] Well, yes, part of honouring one's parents involves, at the least, considering their advice. I think it's safe to say that the people in these situations seem to have not turned a completely blind eye to the advice of their mothers... but honouring parents, after emancipation, is not the same as obedience. This is a topic I've spent a lot of time looking into, after some... difficulties with my parents(at one point, for example, over the summer, I was forbidden from joining my father on a vacation if I wouldn't agree to miss Mass) ... often, parents can, indeed have powerful insights. Sadly, however, it is also the case that we will often have to chose between following our Lord, and following the desires of our parents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted October 18, 2004 Author Share Posted October 18, 2004 [quote name='theculturewarrior' date='Oct 18 2004, 03:59 PM'] I think I bit off more than I can chew here. I'll be going now. :leave: Like I said, I can't relate. My mom [i]is[/i] my spiritual director. [/quote] I'm not upset with you, bro. No worries. You and I just disagree on a role of a mother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theculturewarrior Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 [quote name='Raphael' date='Oct 18 2004, 03:00 PM'] I'm not upset with you, bro. No worries. You and I just disagree on a role of a mother. [/quote] I think our mothers may be a little different. Trust me though...every family has it's troubles. My dad doesn't go to church. He makes fun of me for going. Pray for him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted October 18, 2004 Author Share Posted October 18, 2004 [quote name='theculturewarrior' date='Oct 18 2004, 04:03 PM'] My dad doesn't go to church. He makes fun of me for going. Pray for him... [/quote] Of course he will have my prayers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted October 18, 2004 Author Share Posted October 18, 2004 [quote name='theculturewarrior' date='Oct 18 2004, 04:03 PM'] I think our mothers may be a little different. Trust me though...every family has it's troubles. My dad doesn't go to church. He makes fun of me for going. Pray for him... [/quote] Yeah...I just got one of those nagging mothers...it's okay, but I have to be very careful talking to her... I wouldn't trust her as my spiritual director, vocation director, etc. More importantly, my father is on my side, and I do very much respect his opinions, character, and discerning nature. My father has always had my trust and I truly believe his interests are my interests, i.e. he wants me to have a good and happy life. He worries about the finances, too, but I think he wouldn't mind losing some money for my sake. He already wants to sell all my mother's antiques, and she has enough to pay for all my college, believe me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piccoli Fiori JMJ Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 My mom is Catholic but a strange disallusioned one... I don't think she believes in the real presesnce... My dad isn't Catholic either, but he goes to Mass with us every Sunday and he has beginnning to pray, which is new to us all... I kinda feel like Micah... My mom has no insight to my interior life, she would yell at me for being a fanatic and that I'm taking these things too far... SHe makes me feel bad about being a devout Catholic... That is part of my problem... I love my mom very much, but she doesn't get a lot of things I do and why I do them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piccoli Fiori JMJ Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 [quote name='Raphael' date='Oct 18 2004, 03:16 PM'] He already wants to sell all my mother's antiques, and she has enough to pay for all my college, believe me. [/quote] We have way too many antiques... my dad has records EVERYWHERE! we have so many antiques that we bought that we could sell to pay for some of these things, but, nope, my family is too materialistic... It would be nice if they sold some... not all, just some... it would also aleviate the clutter of our small house that we should be very grateful to have Maybe I'll sell some of my stuff... That should help some... I'm thinking of selling my car... If I go to Steubie, I'm not going to need it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theoketos Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 TWC is right, the voice of your parents is the voice of God, to add a twist from Padre Pio, but then again, if you are sure it is God's will, then your parents will fall in line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted October 18, 2004 Author Share Posted October 18, 2004 [quote name='FutureNunJMJ' date='Oct 18 2004, 04:22 PM'] We have way too many antiques... my dad has records EVERYWHERE! we have so many antiques that we bought that we could sell to pay for some of these things, but, nope, my family is too materialistic... It would be nice if they sold some... not all, just some... it would also aleviate the clutter of our small house that we should be very grateful to have Maybe I'll sell some of my stuff... That should help some... I'm thinking of selling my car... If I go to Steubie, I'm not going to need it... [/quote] Yeah...materialism is terrible. I mean...my parents live in a 3500 square foot house filled with antiques next to a playground with a beautiful view of a creek and a walking path behind it, along with fields which are protected by law and can't be developed... My parents, mom in particular, still talk about how much they want to move into a larger, more expensive lakeside home... I've asked them, "why can you move from a $250,000 house to a $300,000+ house with no problem, but you are so hesitant to put that much money and confidence towards your children's college funds?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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