Guest T-Bone Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 Funny how you didn't answer my post, yet continue to spew your liberalistic rhetoric... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aragorn Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 (edited) [quote name='T-Bone' date='Oct 14 2004, 04:09 AM'] Funny how you didn't answer my post, yet continue to spew your liberalistic rhetoric... [/quote] Taxes serve a purely secular function-- not moral or religious. This answer is self-evident so i didn't want to bother with it If you liked my liberalist rhetoric, you can read some more of it. There's quite a lot of liberalist rhetoric spewed in the Bible: [url="http://home.snu.edu/~hculbert.fs/poor.htm"]http://home.snu.edu/~hculbert.fs/poor.htm[/url] Millionaires & Christians: An Alliance for BUSH 2004. Edited October 14, 2004 by aragorn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vianney Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 Look it doesnt matter what his people think. When you are Catholic every part of you is Catholic. The way you walk the way you talk they way you see the world. You are transfomred. And you cannot help but do what Christ would do. You are Roman Catholic FIRST not a senator or a president first. I dont care who you are. Jesus and his laws are above all other earthly held positions and yes Kerry contrary to what Keneddy said that includes the title of president. You are Catholic and happen to be a presidental canidate not the other way around. Therefore all policies like the murder of innocent babies is not a matter of enforcing your article of faith on those who dont share it but rather doing the morally good thing. Kerry would not argue that killing his wife is right so why is killing another human life right. He needs to get a spine and be obedient and Catholics need to quit giving him a free pass and acting as if what he is doing is ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 Being a faithful catholic is a bit more important than being president of the US. Hell doesn't have term limitations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelly_freak Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 [quote name='Ash Wednesday' date='Oct 13 2004, 11:49 PM'] Shelly, I found your post to be very honest and brave. [/quote] Why thank you! I tend to always speak my mind, it gets me in trouble sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phazzan Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 [quote]Actually, Kerry's "as do many" comment is relevant in a representative democracy like the USA. [b]The idea is that an elected official has a duty to represent the will of the citizens.[/b] Sorry guys, that's just how democracy works. Kerry was simply saying that he is bound to perform his role in a representative democracy. This prevents him, as he said, from legislating his article of faith onto someone who doesn't share that faith. [/quote] This is misleading. As a Catholic, Kerry isn't just supposed to believe abortion is wrong because the Church says so, he's actually supposed to believe in his heart abortion is [u]wrong[/u]. Either he believes this or he doesn't, and to me it appears he doesn't because if he had any sort of moral conscious he'd defend his beliefs rather than denounce them as "articles of faith". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 Why doesn't he have the guts to say, "I'm a disobedient Catholic" or "I'm a 'Catholic,' but I disagree with the teachings on abortion"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toledo_jesus Posted October 14, 2004 Author Share Posted October 14, 2004 I vote Republican because I like being told I can spend my own money. Listen, if you tax the rich, who is going to suffer? I'll give you a hint, not them. It's the middle and lower class that will suffer. Less money for the rich business owners means less jobs for the poor and middle class. We tried to make this point to aragorn earlier, but the president does have power as a voice to combat abortion. He can give support to bills in Congress, and he can appoint Supreme Court Justices that may find a different interpretation in the Constitution. But above all he can talk to the people, and for the people. Bush has been doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 [quote name='Phazzan' date='Oct 14 2004, 08:18 AM'] As a Catholic, Kerry isn't just supposed to believe abortion is wrong because the Church says so, he's actually supposed to believe in his heart abortion is [u]wrong[/u]. Either he believes this or he doesn't, and to me it appears he doesn't because if he had any sort of moral conscious he'd defend his beliefs rather than denounce them as "articles of faith". [/quote] Right on, phazzan. I agree. I don't want anyone to think that I'm passing judgement on the state of Kerry's soul, but I actually don't think he believes, in his heart, that abortion is wrong and life begins at conception. He says he does, but I don't buy it. I can't say for sure, God forgive me if I am wrong, but it's how he comes across. As I told someone else on here, I get a stronger sense of sensitivity and personal wrestling on the subject of legal abortions from Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton than I do from Kerry. Whatever happened to the word "ethics"? It's ironic that in the second debate, Bush discussed the issue of the embryo as a matter of ETHICS and didn't bring up "religion" about it at all. I suppose the rape of a woman, considered wrong in our religion, is a mere "article of faith" too? Have we no more of a basic sense of right and wrong, and will we continue worship at the altar of relativism, and whittle all of what is simply right and wrong down as "religious beliefs"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 [quote name='homeschoolmom' date='Oct 14 2004, 09:50 AM'] Why doesn't he have the guts to say, "I'm a disobedient Catholic" or "I'm a 'Catholic,' but I disagree with the teachings on abortion"? [/quote] Why would a bad Catholic admit it? To admit that a person is a bad Catholic, he admits that he might as well not be Catholic, and a person who takes pride in the Church, and pride only, would want to appear Catholic for the sake of the name, which he wouldn't do if he admitted to be a bad Catholic. I was a bad Catholic once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Oct 14 2004, 07:15 AM'] Being a faithful catholic is a bit more important than being president of the US. Hell doesn't have term limitations. [/quote] cmom, if the pen is mightier than the sword, then I equate your keyboard as being the big red "nuke" button. My hero! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 [quote name='Ash Wednesday' date='Oct 14 2004, 02:53 PM'] cmom, if the pen is mightier than the sword, then I equate your keyboard as being the big red "nuke" button. My hero! [/quote] That's not a bad line itself... *tries to hide his launch key* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1337 k4th0l1x0r Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 It reminds me that JFK was the both the best and the worst thing to happen to Catholics in this country. On one hand, he dispelled the notion that Cathoilcs are 100% loyal to the pope on every matter. This is in large part true as you can remain a totally faithful Catholic and disagree with the papacy on many occasions. The cost of this however was the whole part about not letting it control his policy. I don't know if Kennedy himself meant that Catholicism wouldn't control morality in America on the non-negotiable issues or if he meant that he wouldn't do everything the pope says. The non-negotiable issues weren't even issues when he ran, so it will never be known. Kerry's quote about disagreeing is flat out saying that his is not a faithful Catholic. And it's funny how he cites the verse about faith without works is nothing. He should perhaps realize that works without faith is even more worthless. Yes, works are still materially good without faith, but they play no part in your salvation. This quote sickened me [quote]"I believe that choice (on abortion) is a woman's choice. It's between a woman, God and her doctor," the senator said. "And that's why I support that." [/quote] It makes it sound like a little pow-wow between the three of them and that a woman can convince God that it's okay to get an abortion. Where's the baby in all this? I think we're getting a very small glimpse at Jesus felt when he entered the temple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azaelia Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelly_freak Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 [quote name='Raphael' date='Oct 14 2004, 01:51 PM'] Why would a bad Catholic admit it? To admit that a person is a bad Catholic, he admits that he might as well not be Catholic, and a person who takes pride in the Church, and pride only, would want to appear Catholic for the sake of the name, which he wouldn't do if he admitted to be a bad Catholic. I was a bad Catholic once. [/quote] I used to be one of those too -_- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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