franciscanheart Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 *faints* how could they?? NEEEEEEEVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franciscanheart Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 a nun too!!! sheesh!! *dies* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest T-Bone Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 The day they allow a woman priest is the day I join one of the uber traditional schismatic sects... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 [quote name='T-Bone' date='Oct 13 2004, 03:03 AM'] The day they allow a woman priest is the day I join one of the uber traditional schismatic sects... [/quote] pigs will be flying about this time too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 [quote name='T-Bone' date='Oct 13 2004, 03:03 AM'] The day they allow a woman priest is the day I join one of the uber traditional schismatic sects... [/quote] me too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luthien Posted October 13, 2004 Author Share Posted October 13, 2004 This Pope will not allow it, Im just afraid of future popes. The sacraments will no longer be valid! The'll lose Apostolic succession! How will I live without my Eucharist??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1337 k4th0l1x0r Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 Catholic women are already allowed into the priesthood. The priesthood of the Baptized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 [quote name='Luthien' date='Oct 13 2004, 09:43 AM'] This Pope will not allow it, Im just afraid of future popes. The sacraments will no longer be valid! The'll lose Apostolic succession! How will I live without my Eucharist??? [/quote] It could never be officially sanctioned. It is possible that the Pope could simply ignore it and let it go on, but he could never come out and support it, at least not in his capacity as Pope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAZEr Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 Do you all belong to the Roman Catholic Church? Remember . . . The Gats of Hell Will Not Prevail . . .. Seriously, it won't happen. It's not even worth worrying about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 The "Gats" of Hell, huh? I like it. Gat of Hell: The Weapon used by demon gangsters from hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 [quote name='Luthien' date='Oct 12 2004, 07:48 PM'] This what a Monseigner said about women priests in the future. This guy is from the Portland diocese in Maine. It was at our regional fall event for youth ministry. This shows the lack of orthodoxy and obedience to the Magisterium in Maine. He said that now women priests are not a possiblity, but may be in the future. What the heck? I was almost to the point of flipping out! :irate: [/quote] This came up in my college class... Here is what I posted.... [b][i]5) What is your view on the Church's ruling that only men may serve as priests?[/i][/b] It's not really a Church ruling. God set forth that rule in the first century. If it was a Church ruling in regards to discipline, then the Church could change it, but the Church does not have the power to change it because it has to do with faith... and that it was God who set the standard, not a man made rule like celibacy for priests. [b]1 Corin. 14:34[/b] women should keep silent in the churches, for they are not allowed to speak, but should be subordinate, as even the law says. 35 But if they want to learn anything, they should ask their husbands at home. For it is improper for a woman to speak in the church. [b]1 Tim 2:12[/b] I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man. She must be quiet. We see many women of honor in the Scriptures, but none where ordained, not even Mother Mary - the greatest saint of all, the mother of our Lord. If Christ wanted women to be priests, He would have selected one to be an Apostle. Women are the doctors of the Church. They are not less then men, but we all have our own vocations in life, and since God has set forth that there are not to be women priests, a woman will never have a calling to be a priest. They may have a calling for holy life, but never priesthood. Because the calling is from God. Also, if we notice, all of the priests are refered to as father in the Scriptures. The arguement is null and void no matter how much the unstudied want to complain about it because the matter is settled because the Church has spoken numerous times on it... not to mention what's in the bible. [b]Council of Nicaea I[/b] "Similarly, in regard to the deaconesses, as with all who are enrolled in the register, the same procedure is to be observed. We have made mention of the deaconesses, who have been enrolled in this position, although, not having been in any way ordained, they are certainly to be numbered among the laity" (Canon 19 [A.D. 325]). [b]Council of Laodicea[/b] "[T]he so-called ‘presbyteresses’ or ‘presidentesses’ are not to be ordained in the Church" (Canon 11 [A.D. 360]). [b]Pope John Paul II[/b] formally declared that the Church does not have the power to ordain women. He stated: "Although the teaching that priestly ordination is to be reserved to men alone has been preserved by the constant and universal tradition of the Church and firmly taught by the magisterium in its more recent documents, at the present time in some places it is nonetheless considered still open to debate, or the Church’s judgment that women are not to be admitted to ordination is considered to have a merely disciplinary force. Wherefore, in order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance, a matter which pertains to the Church’s divine constitution itself, in virtue of my ministry of confirming the brethren (cf. Luke 22:32) I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church’s faithful" (1994 Ordinatio Sacerdotalis 4). --------------------------------------------------------------- A woman posted this... [quote]Jesus taught to love your neighbor as you love yourself. I think that makes us all equal.[/quote] My response: [quote]Women were not created to be a servant, they were created to keep man company... The Church teaches us that women and men are equal, but we are different... which is why a woman cannot be a "Father in Christ", and men cannot be mothers. Women were made to keep men company, but in turn men keep women company. We were made for each other, and men are women's helpmates, likewise women are men's helpmates. Helpmate is different from servant. Through a woman (Eve) death came to man, and through a woman (Mother Mary) salvation came (Christ). Mary was the new Eve, in a way she made up for Eve's mistake. 1 Corin. 11:11 Woman is not independent of man or man of woman in the Lord. We have a mutual dependence for each other. We see numerous scriptures refering to man keeping his wife happy, that is why it is better for priests of the Lord to be celibate so that their concerns are for the Church and not split between Church and wife.[/quote] I also posted the following on the board.... [quote]The Catholic Church teaches that men and women are equal in dignity, CCC 2203. This has nothing to do with being equal. This has to do with being different. Men and women are different, we think differently, we have different physiology, etc.... Women cannot ever have teaching authority in the Church because it was set forth by God through St. Paul, Councils, and numerous Popes, including Pope John Paul II. Women cannot and will not ever be ordained... it's Canon. Canon's cannot change. The Holy Spirit guides the Church as promised by Christ (St. John 14). The teaching is infallible about women not being priests. Though some may not like the teaching, it is best to try to understand why it is taught instead of trying to use human reasoning applied to a teaching of God. God is beyond human reasoning. Human reasoning is a tool of Satan. We must be very careful when we use it. It has been human reasoning that has been dividing the Church for these hundreds of years. Proverbs 16:25 Sometimes a way seems right to a man, but the end of it leads to death Acts 20:29 I know that after my departure savage wolves will come among you, and they will not spare the flock. 30 And from your own group, men will come forward perverting the truth to draw the disciples away after them. 2 Peter 3:16 speaking of these things as he does in all his letters. In them there are some things hard to understand that the ignorant and unstable distort to their own destruction, just as they do the other scriptures. 17 Therefore, beloved, since you are forewarned, be on your guard not to be led into the error of the unprincipled and to fall from your own stability. 2 Peter 1:20 Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, 21 for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God. Proper interpretation of Scripture and Sacred Tradition is not up to us, it's up to the Church.... As Christ commanded.... St. Matt 18:17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell the church. If he refuses to listen even to the church, then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector. 18 Amen, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. I know one thing, that Christ promised that the Church would never be overcome and be with us until the end of time (St. Matt 16:18-19), that those who hear it, will hear Christ (St. Luke 10:16), I know that Christ cannot be wrong. Therefore, if I disagree with the Church, I would be in the wrong, I want to be right from Christ, and I change my views because I love Christ. Please don't misunderstand the teaching to mean that women and men are not equal, because that is the furtherest thing from the truth, this has to deal with the differences between men and women... God made us for Him, not for us to do whatever we please... If we want to see God, we must love Him, to love Him is to obey Him. The Church does not have the authority to ordain women. Here are some resources to help you better understand the teaching... [url="http://www.catholic.com/library/Women_and_the_Priesthood.asp"]http://www.catholic.com/library/Women_and_the_Priesthood.asp[/url] [url="http://www.scripturecatholic.com/the_priesthood.html#priesthood-V"]http://www.scripturecatholic.com/the_pries...ml#priesthood-V[/url] [url="http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt2sect2chpt3.htm#art6"]http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt2sect2chpt3.htm#art6[/url] (Catechism) From the Catechism: VI. Who Can Receive This Sacrament? 1577 "Only a baptized man (vir) validly receives sacred ordination."66 The Lord Jesus chose men (ver) to form the college of the twelve apostles, and the apostles did the same when they chose collaborators to succeed them in their ministry.67 The college of bishops, with whom the priests are united in the priesthood, makes the college of the twelve an ever-present and ever-active reality until Christ's return. The Church recognizes herself to be bound by this choice made by the Lord himself. For this reason the ordination of women is not possible.68 1578 No one has a right to receive the sacrament of Holy Orders. Indeed no one claims this office for himself; he is called to it by God.69 Anyone who thinks he recognizes the signs of God's call to the ordained ministry must humbly submit his desire to the authority of the Church, who has the responsibility and right to call someone to receive orders. Like every grace this sacrament can be received only as an unmerited gift. 1579 All the ordained ministers of the Latin Church, with the exception of permanent deacons, are normally chosen from among men of faith who live a celibate life and who intend to remain celibate "for the sake of the kingdom of heaven."70 Called to consecrate themselves with undivided heart to the Lord and to "the affairs of the Lord,"71 they give themselves entirely to God and to men. Celibacy is a sign of this new life to the service of which the Church's minister is consecrated; accepted with a joyous heart celibacy radiantly proclaims the Reign of God.72 1580 In the Eastern Churches a different discipline has been in force for many centuries: while bishops are chosen solely from among celibates, married men can be ordained as deacons and priests. This practice has long been considered legitimate; these priests exercise a fruitful ministry within their communities.73 Moreover, priestly celibacy is held in great honor in the Eastern Churches and many priests have freely chosen it for the sake of the Kingdom of God. In the East as in the West a man who has already received the sacrament of Holy Orders can no longer marry. 66. CIC, can.1024. 67. Cf. Mk 3:14-19; Lk 6:12-16; 1 Tim 3:1-13; 2 Tim 1:6; Titus 1:5-9; St. Clement of Rome, Ad Cor. 42, 4; 44, 3: PG 1, 292-293; 300. 68. Cf. John Paul II, MD 26-27; CDF, declaration, Inter insigniores: AAS 69 (1977) 98-116. 69.Cf. Heb 5:4. 70. Mt 19:12. 71.1 Cor 7:32. 72.PO 16. 73. Cf. PO 16. [url="http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt3sect2chpt2.htm"]http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt3sect2chpt2.htm[/url] CCC 2203 In creating man and woman, God instituted the human family and endowed it with its fundamental constitution. Its members are persons equal in dignity. For the common good of its members and of society, the family necessarily has manifold responsibilities, rights, and duties.[/quote] God Bless, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 [quote name='popestpiusx' date='Oct 13 2004, 12:44 PM'] The "Gats" of Hell, huh? I like it. Gat of Hell: The Weapon used by demon gangsters from hell. [/quote] HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duc_In_Altum Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 (edited) [quote]The "Gats" of Hell, huh? I like it. Gat of Hell: The Weapon used by demon gangsters from hell. [/quote] That's just what i was thinkin. Maybe that could be a new song. "the glocks of hell shall not prevail" -joe Edited October 15, 2004 by Duc_In_Altum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrinityAddiction Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 This happened?! :irate: *jaw drops and is stuck there* Prayers for that nun... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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