Cure of Ars Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 Ok same rules, the above question is not an opinion poll. There is a right and wrong on the basis of what the Church does and doesn’t allow in the liturgy. It is basically a quiz. I just thought it would be fun to see how much the Catholics on Phatmass as a group know the rules for the liturgy of the Mass. The questions are from Jimmy Akin’s book Mass Confusion. I will give the right answer in a couple of days. Please show some restraint and don’t give the answer away and please only look the answer up after you have given your answer. I know personally that this is one area that I don’t know much about and I guess this is my way of learning about it. (this is regarding U.S. Status) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenchild17 Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 Wow, not very sure about that one, that's just what I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rachael Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 i have no clue... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 (edited) I read on this not too long ago in the GIRM and from the US Bishops Committee on the Liturgy, though the wording of the question on here seems a little funny to me lol Edited October 12, 2004 by StColette Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrea348 Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 (edited) oops....i'm a little on the slow side today....hmmm....maybe i should get some sleep..... Edited October 12, 2004 by Andrea348 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 lol Andrea edit your post girlie lol no giving away the answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelly_freak Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 I'm pretty sure I know but we'll see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 is the priest in this example prohibiting the congregation from exchanging a sing of peace, or is he omitting it from his own behavior (is he personally refraining)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiat_Voluntas_Tua Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 This happen's at a very very very reverant Old School Church in downtown KC, Our Lady of Good Councel. Totus Tuus, Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piccoli Fiori JMJ Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 I wouldn't know... Oh, how I wish I knew all this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 The question is worded strangely. Are you asking if the sign of peace is required, permitted, etc. or if the priest is required or permitted (et al.) to omit it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel's angel Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 our priest used to leave it out, but still he said some other thing in place of it, i cant remember what. im nearly sure the answer is allowed, because in the misslet, it giveds the priest the option, i think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiL Kat Said Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 hmmm......no idear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cure of Ars Posted October 13, 2004 Author Share Posted October 13, 2004 The answer is Permitted This is what the book Mass Confusion says; [quote][quote]Rite of Peace: Before the share in the same bread, the faithful implore peace and unity for the Church and for the whole human family and offer some sign of their love for one another. The form the sign of peace should take is left to the conference of bishops to determine, in accord with the culture and customs of the people [GIRM 56b] [/quote] Regarding the use of sign of peace, the General Instruction states: [quote]Then the priest says aloud the prayer, Lord Jesus Christ. After this prayer, extending then joining his hands, he gives the greeting of peace: The peace of the Lord be with you always. The people answer: And also with you then the priest may add: Let us offer each other a sign of peace. All exchange some sign of peace and love, according to local custom. The priest may give the sign of peace to the ministers [GIRM 112].[/quote] Since the text states that [i]“Then the priest may add…”[/i] and not “then the priest says…” the individual exchange of a sign of peace is optional. It is not a liturgical abuse for a priest either to call for or to omit the invitation for the people to exchange signs of peace among themselves. [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 ya know, i'm not sure if Akin's understanding of the words "may add" is enough to prove that the priests can omit the sign of peace. here's why. first, in 56B, the first paragraph says that before we share in the bread we show each other a sign of our love. its understood. this is what we do, we offer each other a sign of our love and then we share in the same bread. there doesn't seem to be any room here for the sign of peace to not take place. applying this understanding to para 112, it could just as easily be said that the sign of peace occurs no matter what, its just that the priests has choice rather or not to say some words to initiate it. just b/c the priest "may add: <let us offer each other a sign of peace>" that does not necessarily mean that the sign of peace itself may or may not occur. to me, this just means that the priest may or may not say some words to intiate the sign of peace. the sign of peace will occur regardless (as evidenced by 56B) what do you all think? i'm thoroughly confused by the whole idea that a priest is permitted to take out the sign of peace pax christi, nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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