master_alterserver Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 The Catholic church through eccumenical documents and encyclicals have said that no lyrics are to put man in the place of God... This is why our parish does not sing "I am the Bread" because it does not say [color=green]Jesus said, I am the Bread, Given for the world.[/color] The lyrics are simply [color=red]I am the Bread, Given for the world[/color] Which puts the singer in the place of Jesus. What about Righteous B and other singers that do this? Do we not use their songs? Do we write or contact them and lovingly correct them? A group of Youth at church were told by our Music minister, who knows what she is talking about, that we should not use these songs. I'm disapointed, but understand everything that she means. Responses please: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
point5 Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 The singer is not implying that he is placing himself for God Can someone not sing the words of Jesus, without having to first say...this is the words of Jesus, I doubt anyone in tha audience thinks the singer is implying that the singer is actual the bread and not Jesus. maybey I misread your concern correct me if Im wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L5 Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 Yeah I read that some people are uncomfortable singing the words of God or Jesus. I don't know that by singing the words of God you actually place man in the position of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonSlayer Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 Of course not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
master_alterserver Posted October 11, 2004 Author Share Posted October 11, 2004 Never mind...I found what I needed. I read John Paul II's address to the International Music Committee, and words that place the singer into the place of Jesus, ie, "I am the Bread, broken for you, etc." cannot be used at Mass. Any other use is legitamate. Sorry about that. When it was explained to me, I misunderstood what you could use the songs for. Again, I apoligize for the confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Blaze Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 so does this mean we can't sing "I am the Bread of Life" (and like 7 other similar songs in the OCP Hymnal) during Communion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musturde Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 i never heard that one before, is it something new? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musturde Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 [quote name='master_alterserver' date='Oct 10 2004, 01:44 PM'] Which puts the singer in the place of Jesus. What about Righteous B and other singers that do this? Do we not use their songs? Do we write or contact them and lovingly correct them? [/quote] lol, why is it that whenever we hear controversy about Catholic artists, Bob's always mentioned. I dont remember Bob doing that in any of his songs.... I could be wrong though. Example please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oik Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 MS, I need a link to that JPII address and also so more cites on your first statement. [quote]The Catholic church through eccumenical documents and encyclicals have said that no lyrics...[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiL Kat Said Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 [quote name='musturde' date='Oct 11 2004, 06:44 PM'] lol, why is it that whenever we hear controversy about Catholic artists, Bob's always mentioned. I dont remember Bob doing that in any of his songs.... I could be wrong though. Example please? [/quote] Yeah, Ditto; I'm not positive... but i don't think he does this in any of his songs. Do you have any examples? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flip Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 The Passion Of The Christ was a movie about Jesus. Jim Cavezal was saying lines like "I am the bread of life", ergo, an actor, Jim, was saying lines out of Jesus' mouth. This is not wrong in any way. I think that the same applies to all songs. BTW. Point 5 and Apollo will rock a song on the new aftermass album about the Trinity, where we all three assume and rhyme as each member of the Godhead. Fun huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 [quote name='master_alterserver' date='Oct 11 2004, 06:27 AM'] Never mind...I found what I needed. I read John Paul II's address to the International Music Committee, and words that place the singer into the place of Jesus, ie, "I am the Bread, broken for you, etc." cannot be used at Mass. Any other use is legitamate. Sorry about that. When it was explained to me, I misunderstood what you could use the songs for. Again, I apoligize for the confusion. [/quote] can you give us a link? of course there is a position when it comes to God that we cannot take, especially in mass (which is what they meant when you heard about this) but no one is doing any wrong, has anyone read the OT and scripture? its God talking with an "I" and when you read it out loud.... now for mass, i can see where the concern can come in, but its because the mass takes great care in never straying from the focus where it needs to be ..... some links would be helpful tho......to read more... pax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 MA, Scripture makes the best music. If you really wanna go against the song, look when it was written. They were still doing the Tridentine Mass! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 Then again, I've also forgotten how much I like the Latin, and I have yet to see any Latin hymns do it, so there's an interesting idea. Part of the problem with all the songs that I can think of that do this is that they are way too modern anyways. -_- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
master_alterserver Posted October 12, 2004 Author Share Posted October 12, 2004 (edited) [quote name='Sammy Blaze' date='Oct 11 2004, 02:52 PM'] so does this mean we can't sing "I am the Bread of Life" (and like 7 other similar songs in the OCP Hymnal) during Communion? [/quote] yes...half of the songs in our hymnal at Church are void at MASS because of the lyrics, but at the same time, it's easy to change the lyrics a little. Some of the same songs, our praise and worship band is adding a beat to and performing or practicing them. I wish everyone would chill...it doesn't mean that you can't use these songs for praise and worship...the Holy Father says that these songs and lyrics are not to be used for Mass. My original post is a question. It is not a statement. I thought I misundestood what i heard, and I did. Now I understand completely what the Holy Father meant. Thanx for all the input. By the way, the Holy Father also says that chant should dominate the Mass, too. ut other songs are acceptable. Ahh...I like chant. But where would we be if it was all chant? Edited October 12, 2004 by master_alterserver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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