Spiritual_Arsonist Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 My analysis: IT seems like it is written by a poorly informed person. Ppl like this act the the church just started after the Vatican Council. The Tridentine Mass was right for the time. IT might still be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toledo_jesus Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 well the Tridentine Mass is still quite right, and a properly done Novus Ordo is also quite right. There is a definite difference between them, and we shall see what this 40 year period in the Church's history yields. It's funny to think that we read in history books how movements span decades or centuries...and here we have such a vast change in the space of 40 years, from Vatican II to exploration of the boundaries of our Catholicism to flirting with heresy and Protestantism...to this swing back to the orthodox. 40 years. A blink in the 2000 year history of our Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.R.D Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 It as a very intresting paper but it was poorly written..... And if i do say so myself it is attacking the Pre Vatican 2 mass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 I think most people forget that silence is also participation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilroy the Ninja Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 um. yeah. what ya'll said. But I agree with you dUSt. I think she's far too "community" oriented and not focused on God enough. That's just my opinion..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aluigi Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 people need to be taught that real community is found in us all looking towards GOD. real community's not: [img]http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-9/837215/falsecommunity.JPG[/img] it's more : [img]http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-9/837215/realcommunity.JPG[/img] (blue dots being people and red lines being focus) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiat_Voluntas_Tua Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 Word! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DojoGrant Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 The letter seems to imply that the Tridentine Mass was wrong. That's no good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 aluigi, How'd you do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aluigi Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 i created those images in paint, saved em as JPGs, and uploaded them to my free account at villagephotos.com then i just used the image tag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinner Posted October 8, 2004 Share Posted October 8, 2004 Nice visual Al !!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 (edited) [quote name='CatholicforChrist' date='Oct 6 2004, 07:12 PM'] Didn't the Church say that the Mass will be celebrated for all time (even though there is another option from Paul VI; he himself said that he only wanted to give an option)? If the Church says that something is perpetual, that would certainly become part of Tradition, no? [/quote] Actually, I've been meaning to make two clarifications: 1) The Pope is the one who said "perpetually." This'll sound stupid at first, but it leads into number 2. 2) The Pope has special priveleges on the word "perpetually" for it doesn't actually mean "perpetually," but rather until some other Pope changes it. This is a special rule amongst the Popes, and has been used (look at the Jesuits, who were "perpetually" suspended over a century ago). It's definately odd, and makes it sound like the word is just being twisted around, but I had my advisor teach me about this, and he has other proofs too. Also, the Mass is a discipline, not a doctrine, so it can be changed. To be Tradition it would have to do with doctrine, meaning faith and morals. The faith and morals of the Mass haven't changed (well, shouldn't have changed), but rather just the disciplines. I hope that helps some. <- Special priveleges. Edited October 30, 2004 by qfnol31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traichuoi Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Oct 6 2004, 11:41 AM'] That sounds like the Tridentine Mass that I remember... She should mention missing Mass is still a mortal sin, and the Mass of today can have plenty of issues of its own. No one Mass is perfect. [/quote] actually...i would say mass is perfect...if it's truly mass, it's perfect because of the perfect Presence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 I would argue that it's not exactly perfect...otherwise it'd never be changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traichuoi Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 (edited) well, no matter how messy mass can be, is it not made perfect by the perfect Presence? our humanity brings imperfection but Christ makes it perfect...i could be wrong in my line of reason here but that's what i believe i've heard before... anyways, not to dwell on such a detail but it just caught my eye Edited October 30, 2004 by traichuoi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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