Excommunication ?

[Dave]

[quote name='drewmeister2' date='Oct 6 2004, 10:04 PM'] I dont feel he should. No one should ever be excommunicated, because that keeps him from ever coming back to Christ. Maybe he shouldn't receive the Eucharist, but if he later repents, even on his death bed, if he isn't Catholic, he can't receive absolution, and that endangers his soul, possibly, even though he may be truly sorry. I think it takes much more than this for excommunication (I see it as the death penalty of the Catholic Church, death for the soul, that is). [/quote]
Excommunication isn't permanent. It's meant to help a person realize the wrongness of what they've done and to lead them to repentance. And if and when that happens, they will be absolved of the excommunication.

[J.R.D]

First of all .... the church dosnt excommunicate people the person excommunicates himself by going against the church

[Guest Aluigi]

you have a faulty view of what excommunication is. it means you are not in communion with the Church. a person automatically excommunicates himself by doing certain things such as publically renouncing his faith, joining another religion, spreading heresy, having or supporting an abortion...

the Church just has to let them know that they are no longer in the Church unless they repent. an excommunication is lifted if the person repents and goes to the bishop (sometimes he needs to go to the pope, if the level of excommunication is that high) or a priest the bishop has authorized, confess and repent, and he can be let back in.

the question before the 3 judge panel will be, did John Kerry commit criminal heresy in direct violation of canon law thus leaving the Catholic Faith in practice (just not in name yet). If so, John Kerry will be informed that he has excommunicated himself. That statement from the Church is generally known by people as the Church excommunicating him (which is partly true, it's telling him to stop calling himself Catholic unless he agrees to be a real Catholic).

Anyway, the Church would not be damning him to hell, simply informing him that because he stopped following the rules, he's not in the club (he doesn't follow Church Teaching, he's not in the Church)

[Guest Aluigi]

think of it this way: if you consistently do not show up for your job, you are essentially quitting. but sometimes the boss still has to tell you "you're fired" before you stop telling everyone you work at that place and going there to use their copiers.

[DemonSlayer]

Yeah, I also think he should recieve an ultimatum, or at least he should be told to stop using his being technically a Catholic to win votes from Catholics (liberal or not).

[XIX]

I would if I was the Pope.

But I'm not the Pope.

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='drewmeister2' date='Oct 6 2004, 10:04 PM'] I dont feel he should. No one should ever be excommunicated, because that keeps him from ever coming back to Christ. [/quote]
1) The question was whether you THINK he should be excommunicated. That means using your power to reason, knowing the facts and what the Church teaches on the subject, to judge whether or not he should be excommunicated (of course acknowledging that the Church is ultimately the judge of these things).

2)In you reply, you let what you FEEL override what is reasonably known.

3)If no one should ever be excommunicated, then what purpose would there be to Christ having given the power to excommunicate to the apostles and their successors?

4)Your fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of excommunication was already addressed by Dave.

Please don't take this wrong, it's just an observation or three.

[mmmerf]

[quote name='Ash Wednesday' date='Oct 6 2004, 12:40 PM'] I was thinking of this the other day. If Kerry took the White House (which I still don't think will happen at this point in time) this would make for a very interesting, very public showdown with the Vatican. As acting president in a pro-choice position and in poor standing with other moral issues as a Catholic, the issue of him taking communion would be more up front and center. [/quote]
This is a tough one. I mean, Clinton recieved communion once or twice, and he's not even Catholic.

Dave

[StMichael]

Kerry must be excommunicated if he does not publicly repent.

He does more damage to Catholics in the US with his abuses of the Church laws.

How does one explain to young Catholics that a man who is Catholic is running for President of the US and that man spits in the face of the Church every time he opens his mouth? That if elected he would enforce laws that go against the Catholic Church?

His excommunication would only strengthen the Church with regard to wayward politicians who spit in all our faces.

Here in the NY we have have so-called Catholic politicians who seek our vote yet try and involve us in sin by supporting abortion, gay "marriage," etc.

The Catholic voting block needs to be unified and made a force to be dealt with.

The primary reason Kerry has not been excommunicated is because with each breath that comes from the mouth of Church leaders, the Democrats sue the diocese and have already made conversation about taking away the Church's tax free status due to getting involved in State affairs.

[cmotherofpirl]

But its ok for those same leaders to go speak in black churches and nobody threatens their tax exempt status?

Maybe its time somebody does.

Let them take away our tax-exempt status and we will close every Catholic school, hospital, and social service agency for 6 months.
The country would fall apart.

Edited October 7, 2004 by cmotherofpirl

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

[quote name='mmmerf' date='Oct 7 2004, 09:34 AM'] I mean, Clinton recieved communion once or twice, and he's not even Catholic.[/quote]
That is an abomination.

Edited October 8, 2004 by thedude

[Guest T-Bone]

True, that