Theoketos Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 [quote name='Ash Wednesday' date='Oct 5 2004, 02:21 AM'] You mean we don't face Mecca? Oops, wrong religion! Sorry. I couldn't help myself. [/quote] They stole that Idea from us, btw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 [quote name='Pio Nono' date='Oct 4 2004, 11:15 AM'] JMJ 10/4 - St. Francis of Assisi Actually, "looking at people" or facing the people during the Liturgy is a part of the liturgical movement which came out of Belgium in the mid-to-late 1800s. Latin Catholics adopted the practice as an option in the years following Vatican Council II. The Melchites and Syro-Malabar picked it up around then as well; I don't know whether the Ambrosians or the Mozarabs face the people. [/quote] Only a very small faction of the liturgical movement ever supported Mass facing the people. The Melkites do not. The Syro-Malabar folks were told to stop. The Ambrosians and Mozarabs do not either, or at least, it is not part of the ritual. If individual priests do it, then they do so in violation of the rubrics. As far as the Latin Church is concerned, it is not required. A priest is completely free to say Mass ad orientem without special permission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theoketos Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 ^Unless of Course the Local Ordinary says not to, as most of America has... (BTW God bless the FSP) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted October 12, 2004 Author Share Posted October 12, 2004 But can the local ordinary actually do that? I wouldn't think they could go against the norms implied in the GIRM... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 [quote name='Theoketos' date='Oct 12 2004, 05:47 PM'] ^Unless of Course the Local Ordinary says not to, as most of America has... (BTW God bless the FSP) [/quote] The local ordinary oversteps his authority if he attempts to say no. He can not forbid what Rome allows. That would be akin to a bishop attempting to forbid the use of the Roman Canon at Mass. He can say it all he wants, but he hasn't the authority to actually force it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted October 13, 2004 Author Share Posted October 13, 2004 (edited) What do you mean by the Roman Canon? A Bishop has full authority to define which Mass will be used. Beyond that, I don't think he can say anything because there is a set Missal for the Mass. Ed. And of course there are limits to which Mass, such as the Novus Ordo must be used on Holy Thursday, etc. Edited October 13, 2004 by qfnol31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 [quote name='qfnol31' date='Oct 13 2004, 04:11 PM'] [/quote] [quote]What do you mean by the Roman Canon? [/quote] I mean what is referred to in the Novus Ordo as the First Eucharistic Prayer. [quote]Beyond that, I don't think he can say anything because there is a set Missal for the Mass.[/quote] That's my point. The Bishop has no authority to forbid what Rome allows universally. [quote] Ed. And of course there are limits to which Mass, such as the Novus Ordo must be used on Holy Thursday, etc.[/quote] If I am understanding you correctly, this is not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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