Apotheoun Posted October 3, 2004 Share Posted October 3, 2004 [quote name='vianney' date='Oct 2 2004, 03:54 PM'] I didnt know styles of music were seen as "profane" You know the organ was seen as "profane" at one time. Fr. Stan Fortuna makes a great point. He said that its not the genre of music that makes it profane it is the artists who are associated with the genre and abuse it that make that way. Fr Stan is a CFR who raps and is very good at it. His raps are Catholic and praise God. Would you say that this is profane. The GIRM has not yet specified which types of liturgical music is profane and which are not so this is to some degree based on opinions not the Church. For instance NET masses which is approved by the local ordinrary use Catholic "rock" "rap" and other sorts of music for their liturgy. With all this being said what do ppl have to say about the Church emphasizing chant as the official music of the Church. Shouldnt this be give precedent over "praise and worship" music?? [/quote] I'm Byzantine (Ruthenian) Catholic and we only use those chants and tones that are traditional for our rite. Modern musical forms are not used, nor are any musical instruments allowed, and thus the only instrument used is the human voice. The various directives issued by the Holy See on the proper musical forms to be used during the celebration of the Roman Rite Mass should be followed. The liturgy is not a "show" nor is it a private prayer of the priest or of any parish or diocese for that matter; instead, it is the prayer of the universal Church. The GIRM is not an exhaustive document on the rubrics of celebration, thus one must consult the other documents and the notitiae issued by the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments in order to know what is or is not permitted. God bless, Todd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vianney Posted October 3, 2004 Author Share Posted October 3, 2004 yah and i think one could possibly have some Catholic "praise and worship" music (all liturgical music is praise and worship just w/ diff genres and styles) and have it not be a show. The thing to remeber is that the sacrifice of Jesus and reciprical gift of Jesus in the Eucharist is the FOCUS. The mainpoint. As long as this is the central theme and the music is done tastelfully and appropriate I see nothing wrong with it and the GIRM doesnt say there is anything wrong with it either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted October 3, 2004 Share Posted October 3, 2004 Aesthetically, I have no problem with contemporary music, but let's keep things in their proper perspective: let's not turn Mass into a non-denominational variety show free-for-all. Music should be done with taste and flow with the rest of the liturgy and it should be done without liturgical abuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted October 3, 2004 Share Posted October 3, 2004 The music should flow from the Liturgy. If it doesn't, it's not proper in the Mass. Most "praise and worship" and "Protestant" songs don't flow from the Mass. They must be universal, and many aren't. It's profane music if it doesn't follow these norms. The music of Liturgy is most properly Gregorian chants and polyphonic hymns for a good reason (one that is specifically implied in the GIRM). I have a hard time with rap and other music that we see sometimes now for a few reasons, one of them being that they aren't as good as Gregorian chants in a Liturgical setting. Oh well, maybe one day Gregorian chants will make a comeback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vianney Posted October 3, 2004 Author Share Posted October 3, 2004 I see your point about protestant praise and worship songs not flowing from the litrugy and I dont think anyone is disputing your point. My point is that there are Catholic praise and worship songs that are very very fitting for certain parts of the mass and help the flow its just these songs arent your typical hymns or chant. The point is that if these type of songs are used according to the GIRM they would be appropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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qfnol31 Posted October 4, 2004 Share Posted October 4, 2004 (edited) [quote name='vianney' date='Oct 3 2004, 09:05 AM'] My point is that there are Catholic praise and worship songs that are very very fitting for certain parts of the mass and help the flow its just these songs arent your typical hymns or chant. The point is that if these type of songs are used according to the GIRM they would be appropriate. [/quote] What songs are you thinking of, may I ask? The reason that much of praise and worship songs don't fit is not just because of the words, but also the way that the music i written. Part of the reason chants and hymns are the proper choice is because of the way the music is written. I think there's a document earlier on that I posted on this. I'll try to find it later. Ed: Also, where the GIRM calls for participation, silence counts as participation. It doesn't specifically ask us to be able to sing everything, but in many ways chants can make some songs easier after you learn them. However, silence is one of the highest forms of participation the GIRM speaks of. Edited October 4, 2004 by qfnol31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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