vianney Posted October 2, 2004 Share Posted October 2, 2004 Well it is pretty self explanatory. What are your thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted October 2, 2004 Share Posted October 2, 2004 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted October 2, 2004 Share Posted October 2, 2004 In the Eastern Rites we sing the prayers, verses, and responses of the Divine Liturgy itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hananiah Posted October 2, 2004 Share Posted October 2, 2004 I believe Vianney is referring to Protestant-style rock and quasi-rock worship music. The answer is most definitely no. Chant all the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiZzGiG Posted October 2, 2004 Share Posted October 2, 2004 Do you mean this kind of music during, say the Eucharist or during the responsorial psalm?? Because, Life Teen (which i know has been controversial around phatmass) plays the standard songs during these times ("Christ Has Died" "Lamb Of God", you know, those songs), but during the offertory or the opening they'll play some of the Protestant-style rock worship music. Actually, a lot of it is written by Catholic artists. But is that still wrong? Should I say something to the pastor or someone about it? Cuz, I thought the opening, offertory, and closing songs were sort of the choice of the priest or music director. I dunno, I'm just curious! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted October 2, 2004 Share Posted October 2, 2004 I would argue that it's improper to the Mass, but then again, I would argue that many songs we sing are improper to the Mass.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted October 2, 2004 Share Posted October 2, 2004 It all depends on the song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted October 2, 2004 Share Posted October 2, 2004 The use of secular and profane musical forms during the Divine Liturgy should be avoided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiZzGiG Posted October 2, 2004 Share Posted October 2, 2004 Hmm... well the music is not secular or profane. It's definitely praising God. And while some of it is probably used in Protestant churches, the message is still Christian. Also, many Catholic hymns are sung, just to maybe a different tune or using different instruments. Okay or not?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted October 2, 2004 Share Posted October 2, 2004 [quote name='FiZzGiG' date='Oct 2 2004, 02:10 PM'] Hmm... well the music is not secular or profane. It's definitely praising God. And while some of it is probably used in Protestant churches, the message is still Christian. Also, many Catholic hymns are sung, just to maybe a different tune or using different instruments. Okay or not?? [/quote] I'm not referring simply to the words, but to the musical forms, i.e., are they secular or profane modern compositions. The aesthetics of the liturgy must be properly understood. Rock music, and rap music, etc., are not fit forms of music for liturgical worship. God bless, Todd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azaelia Posted October 2, 2004 Share Posted October 2, 2004 What about the mass parts written by Catholics like Jesse Manibusan, Bob Rice, and Steve Angrisano? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiZzGiG Posted October 2, 2004 Share Posted October 2, 2004 Do you have anything I can read about it? Any proof in the Catechism or Bible?? If I'm gonna tell people this or talk to someone about it, I'd need to cite some sources -- you know, back up material. Just curious! And thanks for helping! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted October 2, 2004 Share Posted October 2, 2004 [quote name='FiZzGiG' date='Oct 2 2004, 02:20 PM'] Do you have anything I can read about it? Any proof in the Catechism or Bible?? If I'm gonna tell people this or talk to someone about it, I'd need to cite some sources -- you know, back up material. Just curious! And thanks for helping! [/quote] From the GIRM: [quote name='Section 41']All other things being equal, Gregorian chant holds pride of place because it is proper to the Roman Liturgy. Other types of sacred music, in particular polyphony, are in no way excluded, provided that they correspond to the spirit of the liturgical action and that they foster the participation of all the faithful. Since faithful from different countries come together ever more frequently, it is fitting that they know how to sing together at least some parts of the Ordinary of the Mass in Latin, especially the Creed and the Lord's Prayer, set to the simpler melodies.[/quote] The burden of proof that a form of music is proper to the liturgy is not upon you, but upon those proposing its use. Thus, you should ask them for the pertinent documents that allow the use of the profane music they are promoting. The Divine Liturgy is not supposed to be turned into a form of entertainment; instead, it is a solemn and sacred act of worship, in which the once for all sacrifice of Christ upon the Cross is offered to the Father, through the Son, and in the power of the Holy Spirit. God bless, Todd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vianney Posted October 2, 2004 Author Share Posted October 2, 2004 I didnt know styles of music were seen as "profane" You know the organ was seen as "profane" at one time. Fr. Stan Fortuna makes a great point. He said that its not the genre of music that makes it profane it is the artists who are associated with the genre and abuse it that make that way. Fr Stan is a CFR who raps and is very good at it. His raps are Catholic and praise God. Would you say that this is profane. The GIRM has not yet specified which types of liturgical music is profane and which are not so this is to some degree based on opinions not the Church. For instance NET masses which is approved by the local ordinrary use Catholic "rock" "rap" and other sorts of music for their liturgy. With all this being said what do ppl have to say about the Church emphasizing chant as the official music of the Church. Shouldnt this be give precedent over "praise and worship" music?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hananiah Posted October 3, 2004 Share Posted October 3, 2004 [u][b][url="http://grkat.nfo.sk/eng/music.html"]This[/url][/b][/u] is the kind of music that should be sung in church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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