Pentecostal Religion

[foundsheep]

I meant that. Get your own website if you disagree with his.

[Guest Aluigi]

to call pentecostal it's own religion is not necessarily wrong. why? because we could not correctly call all of protestantism ONE religion, it is divided and full of different beliefs. but to call it a denomination is also correct, as far as it denominated from the Catholic Church. so long as we don't call Catholocism a denomination as well, it is correct. they are imperfectly united to the Church because they call upon Christ who they retained knowledge of even after splitting from the Church. Catholocism is the One True Religion, and those who profess to believe in Christ can, so long as they are inculpable for the sin of seperation, be united to that one true religion in some way.

as for St. Paul and clothing issues... to a certain extent we cannot merely chalk it up to cultural differences. but dresses/pants stuff is just overly legalistic failing to see the complexities of what defines male/female clothing. female pants exist and should be worn by females only. male pants exist and should be worn by males only. there are male robes, to be worn by males only. female dresses, to be worn by females only. i really wish women would cover their heads again in Church, but it's up to the Church to require that. i believe that subject should remain open for discussion, but i don't believe one can condemn the Church for allowing women to go without headcoverings.

[Paladin D]

[quote name='mulls' date='Oct 3 2004, 03:45 PM'] isn't all this "who does or doesn't rep the church" stuff relative? [/quote]
It's to help members see who and who does not accurately portray the Church's teachings. Such as those who are non-Catholic Christians or are Catholics that rebel against Vatican II.


[quote]i mean i obviously don't rep the church, i don't claim to.[/quote]

That's fine, the title isn't ment to be offensive. Just a warning sign for those who are new to Phatmass and may think you're Catholic.


[quote]but who decides whether or not a catholic reps the church? dUSt? is everyone's credibility based on what he says?[/quote]

I cannot say if he's the sole person that makes the decision, because I don't know. However, [b]dUSt[/b] is a trustworthy man who follows the teachings of the Church 100% (to the best of his abilities). He's an orthodox Catholic, which we all strive for (or should).

[Freaky Chik]

I go to a pentecostal church, and I wear jeans to church

Ive never heard of what you guys are talking about, before.

Perhaps its an american thing, or whatever.

[Socrates]

Haven't we been over this pants and hair stuff before.

I think basic common sense (yeah, I know, a rare thing) should guide our understanding of St. Paul's words.

He's preaching against cross-dressing, etc.
Men should not cross-dress or dress or groom effeminately.
Women should not dress or groom in a "butch" or masculine style.

The exact nature of men's and women's clothing changes through time and in different cultures, but everyone has a good idea of what's male and female clothes. (Though of course, there are certain modern fashions that should be avoided by Christians)

In the late middle ages (Whaler's period for the establishment of "masculine clothes), men (at least of the nobility) liked to prance around in tights. I personally don't think that particularly manly or modest.

Are all those Scotsmen who wore kilts condemned to hell?
(You don't haveto answer that, Whalers).

Edited October 4, 2004 by Socrates

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='Socrates' date='Oct 4 2004, 02:58 PM']
Are all those Scotsmen who wore kilts condemned to hell?
(You don't haveto answer that, Whalers). [/quote]
I sure as hell hope not. I like kilts.

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Edited October 5, 2004 by popestpiusx

[Guest jaws-3]

First of all, please be kind. This is my first post here. I was baptised as a Catholic and raised as a Lutheran. I am now a member of an Assemblies of God church where I have been now for eight years. It is pentecostal but not legalistic like i see discribed in the posts here. We have three services every weekend and over 2000 attend. Women can dress as they like to church. On any given Sunday, you will see women wear anything from Sunday Best to tube tops. Women wear jeans (men's clothes?) to casual church events. Most people dress with modesty at church but not because we have a rule but because a modest look does not suggest one is looking for something other than God at church. I live in Southern California and most most of the year even church-going people men, women, and children wear shorts t-shirts, sandles, and sun screen when out in public. I have not seen any cross dressers but maybe they are just good at it. We do have some teenaged boys and men who wear earings but not to look like or act like women. I believe Paul was speaking of a man pretending to be a woman and a woman pretending to be a man, reminding us of how this is an abomination to God, spoken of in Leviticus 18:22. But Paul also told us to be careful to not follow those who make their own laws, 2 Thessalonians Chapter 2.

Edited October 14, 2004 by jaws-3

[CatholicforChrist]

Wow, I just read that thread and I cannot believe that people are so uncharitable. It is so offensive that people will condemn or speak hatefully of another person when he is basically just saying exactly what every Catholic believed less than 50 years ago. That is outrageous. If someone would fail to convert because of what the Church and the Bible say, then I think he probably should've never converted to begin with. I would've never converted had I been exposed to the modernism and relativism by most Catholics, especially concerning the inerrancy of the Bible (on the literal level) and the infallibility of the Church on matters of doctrine. I would've never converted if this had been the first Catholic experience I ever had (unless I had read things from people like Hananiah and popesaintpiusx and Hartford and some other people). I am offended by the way that people are so uncharitable. If I had heard Catholics saying things like this: "I'm glad you don't rep the Church" I would've never converted--who are you to say who represents the Church? That is so hypocritical. That kind of disunity and hateful speech is such a scandal, and if I had been exposed to that sort of thing, I would've never converted. Deo gratias for the Traditional movement in the Church that is such an example of genuine Catholicism! Without this, I would've never converted.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='CatholicforChrist' date='Oct 15 2004, 06:22 PM'] Wow, I just read that thread and I cannot believe that people are so uncharitable. It is so offensive that people will condemn or speak hatefully of another person when he is basically just saying exactly what every Catholic believed less than 50 years ago. That is outrageous. If someone would fail to convert because of what the Church and the Bible say, then I think he probably should've never converted to begin with. I would've never converted had I been exposed to the modernism and relativism by most Catholics, especially concerning the inerrancy of the Bible (on the literal level) and the infallibility of the Church on matters of doctrine. I would've never converted if this had been the first Catholic experience I ever had (unless I had read things from people like Hananiah and popesaintpiusx and Hartford and some other people). I am offended by the way that people are so uncharitable. If I had heard Catholics saying things like this: "I'm glad you don't rep the Church" I would've never converted--who are you to say who represents the Church? That is so hypocritical. That kind of disunity and hateful speech is such a scandal, and if I had been exposed to that sort of thing, I would've never converted. Deo gratias for the Traditional movement in the Church that is such an example of genuine Catholicism! Without this, I would've never converted. [/quote]
Sometimes the truth is uncharitable.

[p0lar_bear]

[quote name='jaws-3' date='Oct 14 2004, 09:46 AM'] First of all, please be kind. This is my first post here. I was baptised as a Catholic and raised as a Lutheran. I am now a member of an Assemblies of God church where I have been now for eight years. It is pentecostal but not legalistic like i see discribed in the posts here. We have three services every weekend and over 2000 attend. Women can dress as they like to church. On any given Sunday, you will see women wear anything from Sunday Best to tube tops. Women wear jeans (men's clothes?) to casual church events. Most people dress with modesty at church but not because we have a rule but because a modest look does not suggest one is looking for something other than God at church. I live in Southern California and most most of the year even church-going people men, women, and children wear shorts t-shirts, sandles, and sun screen when out in public. I have not seen any cross dressers but maybe they are just good at it. We do have some teenaged boys and men who wear earings but not to look like or act like women. I believe Paul was speaking of a man pretending to be a woman and a woman pretending to be a man, reminding us of how this is an abomination to God, spoken of in Leviticus 18:22. But Paul also told us to be careful to not follow those who make their own laws, 2 Thessalonians Chapter 2. [/quote]
jaw-3,

Welcome to phatmass, I hope you enjoy it here.

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Oct 15 2004, 05:37 PM'] Sometimes the truth is uncharitable. [/quote]
The Truth is never uncharitable. Sometimes it may hurt, but it is never uncharitable.

From Paladin:
[quote]That's fine, the title isn't ment to be offensive. Just a warning sign for those who are new to Phatmass and may think you're Catholic.  [/quote]

So now I'm not Catholic because some moderators of a website judged it to be so. Right.

[cmotherofpirl]

If you claim to be Catholic then you accept all the teachings of the Church - not just the ones you like, or agree with.

Edited October 15, 2004 by cmotherofpirl

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Oct 15 2004, 05:51 PM'] If you claim to be Catholic then you accept all the teachings of the Church - not just the ones you like, or agree with. [/quote]
I've said it before. I'll say it again (though it has nothing to do with this thread) provide one instance where I have questioned or publicly disagreed with a single teaching of the Roman Catholic Church. If you can provide one such example of me questioning what is actually a teaching of the Church, I will humbly accept by scarlet letter "P" (for phishy), until then, it's nonsense.

[dairygirl4u2c]

Women should have their head covered when they go to church. It says that in the bible. And not just the old testament but the new as well. Saint Paul said it. It is a sin not to. So either RC officials are allowing sin, or else the true CC is those who do wear their heads covered.

[cmotherofpirl]

The Church is the pillar and foundation not the bible. The Church has the power to loose and bind, not the bible.

Should all those men who went to church in dress and hose in the middle ages be considered sinning?