HartfordWhalers Posted October 1, 2004 Share Posted October 1, 2004 (edited) The letters as commanded by the Holy Pontiff Pius XII: On modesty: [url="http://www.catholicmodesty.com/Popesonmodesty.html"]http://www.catholicmodesty.com/Popesonmodesty.html[/url] Concerning MEN'S DRESS worn by women (pants): [url="http://www.catholicmodesty.com/Mens_Dress.html"]http://www.catholicmodesty.com/Mens_Dress.html[/url] The Great Pontiff was known to say: To say that "...modesty is a matter of custom" is just as wrong as to say that, "...honesty is a matter of custom." Edited October 1, 2004 by HartfordWhalers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted October 1, 2004 Share Posted October 1, 2004 I am so pleased you don't rep the Church... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsFrozen Posted October 1, 2004 Author Share Posted October 1, 2004 [quote name='HartfordWhalers' date='Oct 1 2004, 12:52 PM'] The letters as commanded by the Holy Pontiff Pius XII: On modesty: [url="http://www.catholicmodesty.com/Popesonmodesty.html"]http://www.catholicmodesty.com/Popesonmodesty.html[/url] Concerning MEN'S DRESS worn by women (pants): [url="http://www.catholicmodesty.com/Mens_Dress.html"]http://www.catholicmodesty.com/Mens_Dress.html[/url] The Great Pontiff was known to say: To say that "...modesty is a matter of custom" is just as wrong as to say that, "...honesty is a matter of custom." [/quote] We're not talking about modesty. No one's questioning modesty. We're talking about long skirts and hair. I read the letter concerning men's dress on women, and he says women shouldn't wear mens' trousers, not women shouldn't wear pants. Also, I believe this was an underlying issue involving feminism. If women stopped wearing dresses for feminist reasons, it was wrong. I wear jeans all the time, and I am not in the least bit a feminist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hananiah Posted October 1, 2004 Share Posted October 1, 2004 There is a major problem with asserting that St. Paul's admonitions about dress and hair are only relevant within a certain cultural context: he invariably gives a theological reason behind his position. He relates it to the origins of man, just like Jesus did when he taught about divorce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Huether Posted October 2, 2004 Share Posted October 2, 2004 Wow! I'm just totally blown away.. Sorry for entering late. I just got done talking to a Pentecostal at work. He said that, yes, the Pentecostal Religion teaches all that jazz. But he believes that ALL religions have man made corruption, which embodies these beliefs. So he doesn't abide by that. Interesting how members of this church respond differently to the different teachings... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted October 3, 2004 Share Posted October 3, 2004 [quote name='HartfordWhalers' date='Oct 1 2004, 10:50 AM'] Moreover, I Cor. does say women should have long hair (again morality doesn't change and up until the 1920s women having short hair was immoral): I Cor. XI. 6 & 15, 16: "But if it be a shame to a woman to be shorn or made bald, let her cover her head. ...But if a woman nourish her hair, it is a glory to her; for her hair is given to her for a covering. But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, nor the church of God." IF IT IS A SHAME FOR A WOMAN TO BE MADE BALD, then let her cover her head. So, since a woman is to cover her head, we see that it is a shame for her to be made bald (read: short hair), as he shows in verse 15: saying that a woman ought to nourish her hair. Here he contrasts the hair of men and women. Moreover, this is NOT a custom, as I said before, since St. Paul says NATURE is the guide: "Doth not even nature itself teach you". [/quote] Made bald - couldn't that just refer to shaving your head (like Sinead O'Connor)? My mother had a bald head, but that was due to chemotherapy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted October 3, 2004 Share Posted October 3, 2004 [quote name='jasJis' date='Sep 30 2004, 11:51 PM'] What? Looking to find out where he lives. Down here in the south, we call it "looking to see where the he racoon beds down'. It's a prelude to a "stompin". [/quote] In other places it's called "stalking" and it's a prelude to a "restraining order"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foundsheep Posted October 3, 2004 Share Posted October 3, 2004 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Oct 1 2004, 02:22 PM'] I am so pleased you don't rep the Church... [/quote] Amen to that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted October 3, 2004 Share Posted October 3, 2004 And hartford is indeed wrong about protestant groups not being denominations. Even if he denies them being Christian, they still fall into the context of being a denomination, of whatever religion he thinks they may be part of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted October 3, 2004 Share Posted October 3, 2004 And I too cmom am very glad he doesn't rep the Church. Because if he did, I certianly would have never converted to Catholicism and may have become an athiest if I had not remained a Protestant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted October 3, 2004 Share Posted October 3, 2004 [quote name='Brother Adam' date='Oct 3 2004, 10:44 AM'] And I too cmom am very glad he doesn't rep the Church. Because if he did, I certianly would have never converted to Catholicism and may have become an athiest if I had not remained a Protestant. [/quote] me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulls Posted October 3, 2004 Share Posted October 3, 2004 isn't all this "who does or doesn't rep the church" stuff relative? i mean i obviously don't rep the church, i don't claim to. but who decides whether or not a catholic reps the church? dUSt? is everyone's credibility based on what he says? just wondering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aluigi Posted October 3, 2004 Share Posted October 3, 2004 if you consistently undermine Church Teaching you do not rep the Church. simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foundsheep Posted October 3, 2004 Share Posted October 3, 2004 Well he is the owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enda Posted October 3, 2004 Share Posted October 3, 2004 [quote name='foundsheep' date='Oct 3 2004, 04:53 PM'] Well he is the owner. [/quote] Of Phatmass yes, the Church, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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