Pentecostal Religion

[MrsFrozen]

Is anyone here a member of the Pentecostal religion that believes women should have long hair and wear long skirts, or does anyone know about this religion? Why do they believe that? I know that the Bible says that men should dress like men and women like women. (Which, by the way, I always thought meant that we shouldn't cross dress.) Is that the only basis for this? Does anyone know?

[mulls]

i attended a pentecostal church for a short time, but it was hardly a religion unto itself. it was solid.

but i've heard of churches with the wacky legalism.

[Brother Adam]

There are bible verses that say woman with short hair are in sin. It must be understood in its cultural context.

[HartfordWhalers]

[quote name='MrsFrozen' date='Sep 30 2004, 10:46 AM'] Is anyone here a member of the Pentecostal religion that believes women should have long hair and wear long skirts, or does anyone know about this religion? Why do they believe that? I know that the Bible says that men should dress like men and women like women. (Which, by the way, I always thought meant that we shouldn't cross dress.) Is that the only basis for this? Does anyone know? [/quote]
They believe that because it is what Christ (and hence the Catholic Church, too) teaches. The Bible says that women cannot wear men's clothes, as you said and men cannot wear women's. Pants are men's clothes; hence, women cannot wear pants. Dresses and skirts are women's clothes. Moreover, the Bible (I Cor. xi) and the Church teach that women should not have short hair.

"There are bible verses that say woman with short hair are in sin. It must be understood in its cultural context."

No, the Bible cannot err. It is infallible. If the Bible says the it is imorral to have short hair as a woman, that means it is imorral. It doesn't say: our culture is to say that short hair on women is imorral. No, quite the opposite is true. It says: "doth not NATURE tell". What happened to following natural law?? Nature is the law, here, NOT culture...

[White Knight]

First of all I like to started off askign a question isn't the Pentecostal a denomination, and not a Religion?

[HartfordWhalers]

[quote name='White Knight' date='Sep 30 2004, 11:09 PM'] First of all I like to started off askign a question isn't the Pentecostal a denomination, and not a Religion? [/quote]
No. There is one true Religion: Catholicism. The only form of Christianity is Catholicism. All protestant religions are that: religions. I suppose it could be a denomination/sect of the heresy of protestantism, but since all of the different protestant religions believe different things, it is hard to categorize them all as protestant (some even go as far as to deny the Divinity of Christ and the existence of the Blessed Trinity!)

[mulls]

hartford i get a kick out of every one of your posts.

are you from ct?

[jasJis]

[quote name='mulls' date='Sep 30 2004, 11:40 PM'] hartford i get a kick out of every one of your posts.

are you from ct? [/quote]
What? Looking to find out where he lives. Down here in the south, we call it "looking to see where the he racoon beds down'. It's a prelude to a "stompin".

Don't tell him. Say you're from Massachussets or something.

[mulls]

hahahaha nah i would feel weird meeting anyone from the internet in real life for any reason, even if it was to administer a "stompin," which i never would

[jasJis]

True intersting fact.

I'm Catholic today because a neighbor, who was Catholic and became a Pentecostal was always talking to me about "getting right with Jesus and God" when I was a fallen away "Christian" (read lazy agnostic). I finally stepped up her challenge and became as close to Jesus in an intimate relationship as I could possibly be. Hence, I'm Catholic.

Edited October 1, 2004 by jasJis

[HartfordWhalers]

I do not live in CT right now, but I was born there.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='HartfordWhalers' date='Sep 30 2004, 10:38 PM'] They believe that because it is what Christ (and hence the Catholic Church, too) teaches. The Bible says that women cannot wear men's clothes, as you said and men cannot wear women's. Pants are men's clothes; hence, women cannot wear pants. Dresses and skirts are women's clothes. Moreover, the Bible (I Cor. xi) and the Church teach that women should not have short hair.

"There are bible verses that say woman with short hair are in sin. It must be understood in its cultural context."

No, the Bible cannot err. It is infallible. If the Bible says the it is imorral to have short hair as a woman, that means it is imorral. It doesn't say: our culture is to say that short hair on women is imorral. No, quite the opposite is true. It says: "doth not NATURE tell". What happened to following natural law?? Nature is the law, here, NOT culture... [/quote]


But the Bible doesn't say pants are mens clothes does it
Back in those days men wore dresses

Most Catholic know enouoh not to confuse culture with dogma.

There is a whole thread on that silliness so let us not digress, we are discussing pentecostalism here.

[frozencell]

[quote]No, the Bible cannot err. It is infallible. If the Bible says the it is imorral to have short hair as a woman, that means it is imorral. It doesn't say: our culture is to say that short hair on women is imorral. No, quite the opposite is true. It says: "doth not NATURE tell". What happened to following natural law?? Nature is the law, here, NOT culture...[\quote]

I agree with the whole cultural understanding thing. It was okay for them to do things back then that would be looked upon as terrible today in our society.

[MrsFrozen]

[quote name='HartfordWhalers' date='Sep 30 2004, 10:38 PM'] They believe that because it is what Christ (and hence the Catholic Church, too) teaches. The Bible says that women cannot wear men's clothes, as you said and men cannot wear women's. Pants are men's clothes; hence, women cannot wear pants. Dresses and skirts are women's clothes. Moreover, the Bible (I Cor. xi) and the Church teach that women should not have short hair.

"There are bible verses that say woman with short hair are in sin. It must be understood in its cultural context."

No, the Bible cannot err. It is infallible. If the Bible says the it is imorral to have short hair as a woman, that means it is imorral. It doesn't say: our culture is to say that short hair on women is imorral. No, quite the opposite is true. It says: "doth not NATURE tell". What happened to following natural law?? Nature is the law, here, NOT culture... [/quote]
I read 1 Corinthians:11, and it didn't say that a women having short hair is a sin, but rather a woman should keep her head covered during prayer, and that men don't need to because they are made in the image of God, and women in the image of man. This does sound like a middle eastern cultural tradition to me. And no, that doesn't mean the Bible has erred.

Deuteronomy 22:5 says, "A woman must not wear men's clothing, nor a man wear women's clothing, for the LORD your God detests anyone who does this." Nowhere does it say that pants are mens' clothing. It is true that my husband shouldn't go around in my Sunday dress, and I shouldn't go around in his Air Force blues, because that would be cross-dressing, which [i]is [/i]a sin.

[HartfordWhalers]

[quote name='MrsFrozen' date='Oct 1 2004, 07:57 AM'] I read 1 Corinthians:11, and it didn't say that a women having short hair is a sin, but rather a woman should keep her head covered during prayer, and that men don't need to because they are made in the image of God, and women in the image of man. This does sound like a middle eastern cultural tradition to me. And no, that doesn't mean the Bible has erred.

Deuteronomy 22:5 says, "A woman must not wear men's clothing, nor a man wear women's clothing, for the LORD your God detests anyone who does this." Nowhere does it say that pants are mens' clothing. It is true that my husband shouldn't go around in my Sunday dress, and I shouldn't go around in his Air Force blues, because that would be cross-dressing, which [i]is [/i]a sin. [/quote]
Pants are men's clothes because when men started wearing them in the High Middle Ages (or, that is, what would be considered more like pants than what one ignorant person already called a dress), women did NOT take up the practice, as these clothes were only for men. Morality does not change, according to the Church. Therefore, if pants were men's clothes at any time, they remain that way. Your Sunday dress will not be appropriate for any man to wear at any time in history, future or past, because it is a woman's garment. Pius XII had something published by his Cardinal Vicar in the 1960s clearly saying that pants are men's clothes. I think it is hypocritical that anyone would go on the neo-conservative rant about how we have to follow whatever the Pope says, even when it's not infallible, yet we can disregard this declaration on morality, and the grave errors of cross dressing, as well as immodesty. Moreover, I Cor. does say women should have long hair (again morality doesn't change and up until the 1920s women having short hair was immoral): I Cor. XI. 6 & 15, 16: "But if it be a shame to a woman to be shorn or made bald, let her cover her head. ...But if a woman nourish her hair, it is a glory to her; for her hair is given to her for a covering. But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, nor the church of God."

IF IT IS A SHAME FOR A WOMAN TO BE MADE BALD, then let her cover her head. So, since a woman is to cover her head, we see that it is a shame for her to be made bald (read: short hair), as he shows in verse 15: saying that a woman ought to nourish her hair. Here he contrasts the hair of men and women. Moreover, this is NOT a custom, as I said before, since St. Paul says NATURE is the guide: "Doth not even nature itself teach you".