White Knight Posted September 30, 2004 Share Posted September 30, 2004 (edited) Hello everyone I was wanting to know what the Catholic Church thought about people who've had Near Death Experiences, and Death Experiences, but yet are revived and come back to life. As I go futher into detail, alot of people who said they died, and experienced, Heaven & Hell, yet come back to life is true, and it happens more often than we think..... What does the Church have to say about this? What does TCC think about this? people who say they see Heaven and Hell, and are told to come back to Earth to live more? Is it Heresy/Heretic claim or can it really happen? Edited September 30, 2004 by White Knight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Knight Posted September 30, 2004 Author Share Posted September 30, 2004 (edited) No one has a answer? ok then. Edited September 30, 2004 by White Knight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 30, 2004 Share Posted September 30, 2004 I don't think the Church really has a teaching on near-death experiences. However, there have been saints who have visited heaven, hell, and purgatory, albeit not as part of near-death experiences. I believe near-death experiences can and do happen; however, to me in some cases it seems questionable to me if a person actually got a taste of heaven, hell, or purgatory. I mean, I've heard reports of people who have experienced them, and the things they said they learned about the afterlife seemed New Agey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vianney Posted September 30, 2004 Share Posted September 30, 2004 bump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie Posted September 30, 2004 Share Posted September 30, 2004 My grandmother said this happened to her. She had a heart attack and said she saw Jesus. He hugged her and told her He wasn't ready for her yet. She said she begged to stay but He sent her back. She's been devout for as long as I can remember. She's not afraid to die at all. She's actually patiently waiting for death, knowing it will be better than here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinner Posted October 1, 2004 Share Posted October 1, 2004 I was in an electrocution accident years ago that killed the person I was with and I was revived. I am still not certain about what happened, but I do consider it to be spiritual. I am not afraid of death now. Sometimes I fear aspects of living. I do not talk about it often. I definitively sensed something beyond our lives here. But of course all of us believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Knight Posted October 1, 2004 Author Share Posted October 1, 2004 Why is this issue so, avoided...... I really expected more people to post about this topic, oh well. I was watching a program the other day, about Near Death Experiences, and Death but revivial experiences at the same time, and I noticed, that all of them who say they go to Heaven, always see a supernatural glowing light "in a shape of a ball" does anyone find this odd? and How come people who say they've experienced Hell, how come some cases are so different from others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HartfordWhalers Posted October 1, 2004 Share Posted October 1, 2004 [quote name='White Knight' date='Sep 30 2004, 11:14 PM'] Why is this issue so, avoided...... I really expected more people to post about this topic, oh well. I was watching a program the other day, about Near Death Experiences, and Death but revivial experiences at the same time, and I noticed, that all of them who say they go to Heaven, always see a supernatural glowing light "in a shape of a ball" does anyone find this odd? and How come people who say they've experienced Hell, how come some cases are so different from others? [/quote] The reason so few people have posted is that the Church, to my knowledge at least, has never spoken on the issue. It does not seem like something the Church would address. I don't think these people could actually go to Heaven or Hell because: 1) they would in all likelihood need to go to Purgatory, 2) once a person goes to Hell there is no coming back, according to the Bible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megamattman1 Posted October 1, 2004 Share Posted October 1, 2004 (edited) I know a lot about this subject. Here is most of everything I know of it from the website of websites for near death experiences NDEs: www.near-death.com I've posted on this subject in the past and I've gotten no substantial response either, much less in fact. [url="http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?showtopic=5766&hl=death"]http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?showtopic=5766&hl=death[/url] I think people don't know what to think about it. I fear it's largely because the love of God that is shown there is not known to far too many people. People often feel they are in the right and feel other's who are not should not have what they get. I have talked to one priest about it and he just mentioned how wonderful it sounds; he seemed knowledgeable about it, but the important point is that he didn't condemn it. He didn't condone it per se either though. For one the Church has not spoken much about it. And for two in general the notions put on that website are not necesarily in conflict with the Church. I realize the site somewhat advocates reincarnation, but the webmaster has conceded that it may not be as some percieve to be the case. People just see others lives as we or at least many of us are all connected in some way and mistake it for that. The notion of everyone going to heaven is stressed a bit much. But it seems reasonable that most people would go to heaven eventually. The concept of purgatory is very alive in NDEs. Everyone does have freewill though and if they don't progress, there's no way around hell. It's trite but it's true, heaven is love for God and neighbtor and hell is not. THe attractivelness of the Church is to show what what love really is. It is inherent in all people but we also have proclivity to sin, ie not love so we may not know as we ought. But taken at this level the Church doesn't seem necessary as I'd think the Holy Spirit can guide us. Even if we are wrong at a time, it will guide us eventually if we are open. The Church needs "proof" beyond this theory which is reasonably debateable. I mean these don't prove the necessity of the Church. I have gotten an video from the NDE of Jayne Smith on that site. The tape seems so superficial. But that's not a reason to put it down. But at the end... the tape abruptly ends and asks me to send in for more info on the aliens that are judging us! Perhaps I shouldn't rule it out and I should actually send in sometime. But it's certainly questionable. But that doesn't mean we should rule it all out. As the webmaster as noted, NDEs have a plethora of circumstantial evidence in its favor. science, eye witness, proof. (all those indicators on the homepage) The same type of evidence that would hold up in a court of law. It's actually quite amazing that this is the case as we still need some degree of faith. Here is my favorite one. I should email the webmaster and ask why he doesn't put it in the notable NDEs. Some of those notables seem questionable and this one seems cool. Actually I just checked and at least it's in the scientific evidence section. [url="http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence10.html"]http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence10.html[/url] I really liked this one too. Then I realized this guy's only a coupla hours from me and that I should go visit sometime. [url="http://www.near-death.com/storm.html"]http://www.near-death.com/storm.html[/url] Some other cool ones include. Firefighters who shared the NDE in a fire. Some got burned but came out unscathed. Tests done on science equipment I think like a seismograph only supposedly as a consciousness tester that shows major activity when things like 9/11 happen. People who are blind that see things in the NDE and now know. etc I also emailed the webmaster about how he decides what to put up. He said he's gotten very few that deviate from the norm. That's how he decides if it's worth putting up. It does seem though that some are embellished a bit, and that's prolly both human error and human deciet. At least the general idea can last. He also made mention in another meial about how the people who write the books hown on the sites don't make much if any or lose money. He said these people realize money is "peanuts" to getting this message out and compared to what what we will experience in the afterlife. Take time and do the search bar and surf the links on the main page. Besides phatmass and email, it's one of my favorite places on the net! Edited October 1, 2004 by megamattman1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megamattman1 Posted October 2, 2004 Share Posted October 2, 2004 -_- :angry: :ph34r: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aluigi Posted October 2, 2004 Share Posted October 2, 2004 it's possible for them to have a vision of heaven or hell in a near-death experience but i don't think they were actually IN heaven, because heaven is ETERNAL. once you're in heaven or once you're in hell you're there forever. but when someone almost dies, i have no problem with the idea that God could use that experience to grant them a vision to teach them to keep in mind what the ultimate goal of life is. megamatt, what was with the comment that ppl don't reply cause they don't accept God as being Love? that seemed kinda shady and out of line to me ppl just don't tend to have strong opinions either way on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megamattman1 Posted October 3, 2004 Share Posted October 3, 2004 (edited) [quote]People often feel they are in the right and feel other's who are not should not have what they get.[/quote] That's all I meant by it. It seems to me that many feel, as I watch the way people present themselves, that they don't like the fact that God may grant heaven to someone who is not worthy of it. I also admit too that I used to think that way so I know it better when I see it. And it is pretty much human nature to feel that way for a little while anyway, so I don't think the comment was totally out of line either way? But you are right that I should have noted that many have the love of God but just don't respond because they simply don't know what to think about it. Why did you think it was out of line? Edited October 3, 2004 by megamattman1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aluigi Posted October 3, 2004 Share Posted October 3, 2004 i donno, i just said it seemed like a general attack on us.. maybe i'm overdefensive.. but yeah, sometimes people are too much like the older brother of the prodigal son. it just seemed like you were saying that just because ppl aren't that interested in threads about this stuff they're wrong somehow w/e Pax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 Probably the reason why a lot of people don't know what to make of NDE's is that, with the exception of Jesus (and Lazarus...hehe) nobody's actually well-known to have died and physically come back from the dead to live and tell the tale. Some accounts of NDE's are more than phishy to me, but some I am inclined to believe to be possible. What's interesting when people are dying, loved ones appear to help guide them to heaven (or purgatory) and some of them were people that they had not actually known to have died had it not been for the apparitions. Obviously with the Catholic faith you test all things, but it still is interesting stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 [quote name='megamattman1' date='Oct 2 2004, 02:31 PM'] -_- :angry: :ph34r: [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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