Election Reflection

[traichuoi]

thanks Fr. I really like the quotes!!!

[Christ's Knight]

Sirmyztiq,

How on the beautiful face of this Earth can you possibly concieve your quote:

This man will be in control(somewhat) of the most powerful country in the world. We shouldn't care if he has led us into a war without purpose? We shouldn't care about how he feels about our rights and our people?


He was and is still defending of nation & freedom. He is also giving a nation of poor, beaten & tortured people the taste of freedom. Put yourself for 1 minute in that nation where you had to watch what you say or you could & would suffer some of the most horrible tortures an evil dictator & his kids coulds devise. Would you not want to taste the freedom the Americans have to the point where even the some of the most ignorant of people (Michael Moore for example) have a right to speech?

The bottom line is that the vast majority of people (well over 85%, at one time) were thankful that G.W.B. was in control (as opposed to Al Gore) following 9/11. Why would you not want a strong leader in power for the next 4 years?

By the way, someone who changes their stance on issues more often than the hours change, to pick up votes does by NO means define a strong leader!

[SirMyztiq]

Beatiful face of the earth? You mean the view from the hole in the ozone layer right!

This man had majority approval for the INVASION OF AFGHANISTAN(which he also botched) Notice how his approval rating dropped after that.

I think a man that went to battle to protect this country has far more self-respect and confidence in himself than a man that decided to run away from the opportunity to defend this country like he claims he is doing now.

Taste freedom? Freedom and liberty aren't given they are developed into. No nation has ever been "given" freedom. Is something that as a society you have to evolve into and when the time is right "freedom" will be there. There will never be "freedom" because our idea of freedom isn't bound by strict religious principles which most of the people in the middle eastern have.

Kerry has changed stances and I admire him for it. He didn't let the usual flag waving "if you're anti-bush you're anti-american" wacko affect him. He is right he changed his views because as the time went by we saw that the president has mislead and lied.

I also noticed you called Micheal Moore ignorant. Why? Because he talked bad about Bush? I think so.

[drewmeister2]

I know alot of people hate Michael Moore, even democrats

[FreakofFaith]

why do i always catch grief at church for being a democrat. who said bush is pro-life? just because he may or may not be anti-abortion doesn't erase all of the living breathing adults he has killed. i just can't wait for tomorrow to be done with so everyone will shut up already

[traichuoi]

Michael Moore is an idiot. he twists facts and tries to manipulate people...no wonder he's with Kerry...the Democratic party has really let me down. They've become a special interest groups' party...a loooooong way from the roots of why the Democratic party started...what a disgrace.

[Christ's Knight]

SirMyztiq,

No, I was actually referring to the natural beauty God, who in his infinite Glory & Wisdom has bestowed to us. From the majestic mountain peaks to the beautiful butterfly that just landed on my beautiful flower garden, that beautiful Earth.

Not the "hole" in the ozone that seemingly has not changed much since the some of the nutty environmentalists brought it up what 15 years ago. (not all environmentalits are nutty, but some are over the edge) I think they said the world was going to meet its end by 2010 due to extreme global warming. Well we are nearly 5 years away & I don't know about where you live but the climate change around the world is pretty minimal thus far. Not to mention the fact that the Earth's climate does indeed go through cycles as the she does continue to evolve. Yes, she does evolve as her continental plates move. That causes things we call earthquakes. I'll bet you though G. W. Bush made those?

He had majority approval to go after terrorism, which as he was informed by numerous seemingly credible sources, traced funding & terrorist activity to Sadam in Iraq. (Read the 9/11 commision report, it is un-bias & non-partisan or continue to be uninformed.) Now how did HE botch the invasion of Afganistan? You see, first off, W did not draw up the invasion plans. That is the job of high ranking military officers that we call Generals. Secondly, the invasion was & is currently a success. (with the exception of capturing Osama). America & its supporting nations have destroyed many terrorist training camps, captured many other high ranking militant terrorists and provided food & first aid to many, many people in need. Osama will be captured & it will be better for the Afgans to catch him as is the plan. If an American caused lets say an equal catastrophy (to 9/11) in Turkey, would you as a citizen of the U.S. of A want to see Turkish troops taking control & storming through our cities or would you deem it more respectful to let our police force & feds track him down?

Note. his approval rating stayed rather high until the democratic primary was well into full swing & all candidates were taking swings at him... all day long, whilst the media only portrayed the negative things in the middle east. That is when his ratings started to slip. You see the media is rather bias against him whether you want to admit it or not. I could give you a thousand & one examples but I will give you just one (for now). The democrats & republicans both have conventions to nominate their candidate & "charge-up" their respective campaigns. The funny thing was during the democratic convention, 2/3 of the television stations provided coverage of the convention. I could not find anything else worth watching. During the republican convention it seemed only a few stations gave that any coverage, as the majority of the networks were on regularly scheduled programming. Thus providing plenty of other shows to watch & I did not have to watch politics in my leisure time. Explain that? Very simple. They want the democrats message to get through but leave little options to get the other perspective. Now, when we are bombarded 24/7 with all the negativity the kerry campain brought, it is easy to surmise how the uninformed are swayed the way of the silver tongued kerry. For example, Bush never had any plans of going back to the military draft. That was brought up by a democrate from NY (who by the way never even made it to vote on it). However, the democrats. try to scare you into thinking the draft will resurface.

G.W. did under no circumstances flee his duty to serve his country. You may not have caught it, but the story dan rather broke, turned out to be complete bull plop as it was unsubstantiated & a falacy. It made headlines for a few days & was recanted somewhere on page 8 in the newspaper. Why? If someone makes an eronious accusation about you that hits the front page of every paper in you town, is it not appropriate to place the truth as boldly as the lie was advertised? (falls back to the issue of the press. there are 2 for you). Ok, so what man went to battle? Mr. Kerry? You mean the fellow that self inflicted his own war wounds to earn medals? You mean the fellow that put down his "fellow" troops in order to demoralize them? You mean the fellow that has created his own war stories that never occured? The fellow that would not open his service file to prove whether he was discharged honorably or not? He m a y (or may not) be a vet, but he does not sound like a guy I would want in my platoon. (this you dont hear on the news, but I garuntee, if it was G.W.B. or any conservative for that matter it would be all over the news all the time [& rightly so, that is news that spells character or lack there of] why you say... liberal media #3).

OK, I am not going to get into your theory of the presence or birth of freedom, but merely explain to you that now in Iraq & Afganistan they may now debate their leaders, as we are now, without impending fear of grevious torture. Freedom of speech alone is a great thing.

This is where it gets a little interesting. You posted elsewhere that kerry has never "flip-flopped", here you say he did. I will save you the trouble of trying to slick "type" your excuses. Changed stances = flip-flop = unsure = not strong = weak = push over. I did not want to oversimplify it but you yourself admit he has been wrong many times. What I am wondering is why you admire him for it? Bush did not lie to him or anyone, again read the 9/11 commision report & see for yourself.

He also changes his views to get votes. 1st he was for abortion (and voted for it many times). Then all of a sudden, he became prolife. That only lasted a little while. Now he supports abortion again. That is only 1 example, there are many. C'mon man it is a simple question. Which is it? What are you today? You admire that?

Alright, there is no anti-Bush = anti-American. That is more left-ist rhetoric. But it is funny as the 2 majorities this election year are for Bush or against him, regardless if Homer Simpson was the democratic candidate. There was just as much anti-Clinton in years gone by as there is anti-Bush today. Since good ol' Bill came up, let me just inform you that had Clinton had a brass set & went after Osama after her devised the suicidal bombing of one of our military ships (which killed many of our troops) 9/11 would not have taken place. One of the middle eastern countries even offered him to us but Bill said nah. However in an effort to appear a strong leader he launched 2 missles at targets over seas. The funny thing there was that they destroyed an abandoned asprin plant, no militant forces. You probably did not hear that though. (again liberal press looking the other direction as Willey gave us his best crocodile tears at the funerals). The other ironic point is that the recession actually started while Bill was in office but the press lead everyone to believe otherwise. One more point here. If you learn politics & follow it regulary you will notice atleast 1 major trend. The full affects of a given president is not felt for a few years. (note the word full in there). I have a bad feeling John may win today (given the billions of $ the liberals have coughed up), but I would bet you that even before he does anything or lack thereof, the press will fill the airwaves & papers with how great our economy is doing.

Lastly, yes, my view of Mr. Moore is that he is an ignorant man. It seems whenever there is a tragedy he is there pandering his propoganda to make a buck off the sufferings of others. No again you are wrong. He may talk as bad about Bush as he would like, as you may too. We are free to do that. We are all entitled to our own opinions. Your opinion of W. does not make you ignorant, whether you like him or not. You may be uninformed but not ignorant. According to him, you are safer in a city that has just recieved a terrorist attack warning than in the average school across America. You see, knowledge is the key my friend. When you go with the flow sooner or later you will wind up cheated on & lied to by those you blindly trust.

Have a great day & happy voting

[StandingInAwe]

I just want to praise God for giving us four more years under the leadership of President Bush. Thank you Jesus. I really believe and hope that it is possilbe that we will see the over turn of Roe V. Wade in our lifetime. Thank you Jesus.

Come Holy Spirit!!!

[franciscanheart]

is it just me or does this make it seem like in order to be catholic you also have to be repulblican??

[littleflower+JMJ]

[quote name='hugheyforlife' date='Nov 3 2004, 09:18 PM'] is it just me or does this make it seem like in order to be catholic you also have to be repulblican?? [/quote]
no you can be any party, you just have to vote for the one that upholds the Church's teachigns best as our duty and obligation to stand up for LIFE

[SirMyztiq]

[quote name='traichuoi' date='Nov 2 2004, 03:20 AM'] Michael Moore is an idiot. he twists facts and tries to manipulate people...no wonder he's with Kerry...the Democratic party has really let me down. They've become a special interest groups' party...a loooooong way from the roots of why the Democratic party started...what a disgrace. [/quote]
LOL LOL

And I'm sure that Bush's campaign played a clean race!

LOL

[littleflower+JMJ]

michael moore is a film maker.

peace.

[shelly_freak]

[quote name='SirMyztiq' date='Nov 3 2004, 10:32 PM'] LOL LOL

And I'm sure that Bush's campaign played a clean race!

LOL [/quote]
lol oh yeah Bush was very civil *attempts to hold in laughter*

[littleflower+JMJ]

[Guest Aluigi]

[quote name='hugheyforlife' date='Nov 3 2004, 09:18 PM'] is it just me or does this make it seem like in order to be catholic you also have to be repulblican?? [/quote]
you don't have to be republican

but you cannot vote for anyone like Kerry. Kerry was not an option for a faithful Catholic this election.