drewmeister2 Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Does the Eastern Rite include the Filioque clause in the Creed, like the Latin Rite? God bless! Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aluigi Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 I don't think so.. but i could be wrong it's not a big theological difference so much as an offence at Rome adding something to the creed without the east's permission... but i donno if when eastern churches came back in communion with rome they readopted the filoque or not... hmm.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewmeister2 Posted September 28, 2004 Author Share Posted September 28, 2004 Oh, ok, interesting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musturde Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 it depends on where you go. Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. My understanding is that the Pope has encouraged the use of the older creed which lacks the Filioque but that many places still use it. I personally consider the use of that creed (with the Filioque) in an Eastern Church to be a latinization, but maybe I'm being a bit harsh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest T-Bone Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 I don't want to sound like an ignorant convert, but what the heck is the Filioque? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wynd Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 It's the part of the Nicene Creed where we say the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son (qui ex Patre Filioque procedit). The Creed originally only had it proceeding from the Father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewmeister2 Posted September 29, 2004 Author Share Posted September 29, 2004 How can the Pope allow the clause to not be included, since it was made part of our Creed long ago? To be truly Catholic, dont you have to accept it? Just curious! Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aluigi Posted September 30, 2004 Share Posted September 30, 2004 because it's not so much of a doctrinal issue, it's quite alright to say or not say the filoque depending on the Pope's decision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewmeister2 Posted September 30, 2004 Author Share Posted September 30, 2004 Oh, ok, interesting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewmeister2 Posted October 1, 2004 Author Share Posted October 1, 2004 That is kinda funny, considering this issue split the Orthodox and Catholic Churches. I wonder why, if it is not a matter of Doctrine, that the Orthodox are still separated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted October 1, 2004 Share Posted October 1, 2004 [quote name='drewmeister2' date='Sep 29 2004, 06:27 PM'] How can the Pope allow the clause to not be included, since it was made part of our Creed long ago? To be truly Catholic, dont you have to accept it? Just curious! Thanks! [/quote] You do have to accept it to be Catholic. Remember that there are many forms of the Creed. When we say the Apostle's Creed in the Rosary this does not imply that we reject the additional articles of the Nicene Creed. Adding the Filioque to the Creed used by the Eastern Churches is not really necessary. I can think of arguments for and against this change, but I think pastorally it is better to leave things they way they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted October 1, 2004 Share Posted October 1, 2004 [quote name='drewmeister2' date='Sep 30 2004, 07:35 PM'] That is kinda funny, considering this issue split the Orthodox and Catholic Churches. I wonder why, if it is not a matter of Doctrine, that the Orthodox are still separated? [/quote] It is a doctrinal thing. But the point is that to say the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father is perfectly orthodox. This was how the West said the creed for centuries. The filioque is just a further clarification, but this does not mean that different liturgies, with different traditions cannot use an older, less specific creed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewmeister2 Posted October 1, 2004 Author Share Posted October 1, 2004 [quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='Sep 30 2004, 06:49 PM'] You do have to accept it to be Catholic. Remember that there are many forms of the Creed. When we say the Apostle's Creed in the Rosary this does not imply that we reject the additional articles of the Nicene Creed. Adding the Filioque to the Creed used by the Eastern Churches is not really necessary. I can think of arguments for and against this change, but I think pastorally it is better to leave things they way they are. [/quote] Thank you for all your help! That is probably the main difference then with the Creed, is that although the Eastern Rite believes (and may not include it in the Creed), the Orthodox dont include it, and dont believe it as well. What arguments do you have that you think that the phrase shouldnt be included? Not debating anything, just curious as to why you think that. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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