lifeteenchick527 Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 i just want yall to keep in mind that the parishes...on Oct. 1 as far as i know....will be stopping the alter calls and such....iam very excited that lifeteen is going to be complete with church teachings and cannot wait, my church only did the alter calls, but we r dropping that so iam excited... God Bless ~LTC~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathoholic Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 orthodoxy rocks! -happy core member Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjtina Posted September 30, 2004 Share Posted September 30, 2004 [quote name='rachael' date='Sep 26 2004, 09:30 PM'] why wait to implement the changes? so you can milk the old stuff for all it's worth... [/quote] I sincerely hope you don't mean that...... [img]http://phorum.phatmass.com/style_images/1/icon8.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted September 30, 2004 Share Posted September 30, 2004 Abuses make me sad like no other. (Well, those who defy the Magesterium and the Church today make me sad like no other, but abuses are in a close second). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilovechrist Posted September 30, 2004 Share Posted September 30, 2004 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Sep 26 2004, 11:15 PM'] Neither Phatmass or the Vatican promote Lifeteen. [/quote] that's right. though many of us are full supporters of the program, PhatMass does not, and the only thing Vatican has had to do with it was when they issued the stop of liturgical abuses. the lights thing---this is how i look at it. many kids still have not discovered how wonderful Mass truly is. if the only light is focused on the Consecration, then that's where their eyes will be. i was very impressed when we went to FUS-Atlanta, and i saw an overwhelming dedication to the Eucharist. the hour or so of Adoration in the main meeting space was the highlight. if these abuses do not stop by this weekend, there are 2 things you must do. 1-talk to the Bishop as fast as you can. 2-talk to Msgr. Dale in Arizona... his contact info is on the LifeTeen site. talk to both, so that both are aware that a parish is not following orders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rachael Posted September 30, 2004 Share Posted September 30, 2004 [quote name='jmjtina' date='Sep 30 2004, 02:09 AM'] I sincerely hope you don't mean that...... [img]http://phorum.phatmass.com/style_images/1/icon8.gif[/img] [/quote] i'm just saying that parishes are gonna do that. not that i like it. i really do hope that they aren't doing that, but the sad thruth is that they are. they are just procrastinating and waiting until the last minute. my church stopped these abuses a few weeks ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted September 30, 2004 Share Posted September 30, 2004 Sorry, you "Canon Lawyer wannabes". The Altar Gather and the revised closing prayer was a temporary variance allowed for the program, subject to the permission of the local Bishop and within the "aculturation paramaters". The magesterium reviewed it, weighed the pros and cons, and decided the benefits do not outweigh the negatives so permission to allow the Bishops decide was recinded. No need to be so negative. LifeTeen did it to increase the knowledge of, belief in, and appreciation for the Real Presence in the Eucharist. Something that many Catholics are weak in. Fr. Dale (founder of LT) didn't kick up a fuss. He immediately directed all parishes to comply with the directives from Rome. He will not be happy with any parish that disobeys the Bishop or Rome. Gee. Why do some people have to be so close minded and only see the worse in everything? How Calvinistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rachael Posted September 30, 2004 Share Posted September 30, 2004 [quote name='jasJis' date='Sep 30 2004, 11:52 AM'] Gee. Why do some people have to be so close minded and only see the worse in everything? How Calvinistic. [/quote] agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesusfreakriggs Posted September 30, 2004 Share Posted September 30, 2004 [quote name='jasJis' date='Sep 30 2004, 09:52 AM'] Sorry, you "Canon Lawyer wannabes". The Altar Gather and the revised closing prayer was a temporary variance allowed for the program, subject to the permission of the local Bishop and within the "aculturation paramaters". The magesterium reviewed it, weighed the pros and cons, and decided the benefits do not outweigh the negatives so permission to allow the Bishops decide was recinded. No need to be so negative. LifeTeen did it to increase the knowledge of, belief in, and appreciation for the Real Presence in the Eucharist. Something that many Catholics are weak in. Fr. Dale (founder of LT) didn't kick up a fuss. He immediately directed all parishes to comply with the directives from Rome. He will not be happy with any parish that disobeys the Bishop or Rome. Gee. Why do some people have to be so close minded and only see the worse in everything? How Calvinistic. [/quote] amen. people know what you're saying before you complain about it. nothing was done outside the authority of the Church. Fr. Dale is as obedient as they come. I pray that more priests would put the effort in like he does, and continue to rock the party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oik Posted October 1, 2004 Share Posted October 1, 2004 [quote]Sorry, you "Canon Lawyer wannabes". The Altar Gather and the revised closing prayer was a temporary variance allowed for the program, subject to the permission of the local Bishop and within the "aculturation paramaters". The magesterium reviewed it, weighed the pros and cons, and decided the benefits do not outweigh the negatives so permission to allow the Bishops decide was recinded. No need to be so negative. LifeTeen did it to increase the knowledge of, belief in, and appreciation for the Real Presence in the Eucharist. Something that many Catholics are weak in. Fr. Dale (founder of LT) didn't kick up a fuss. He immediately directed all parishes to comply with the directives from Rome. He will not be happy with any parish that disobeys the Bishop or Rome.[/quote] Could I get some sources on that? This was not the impression that I got when I went to St. Timothy's Msgr. Dale's parish) my senior year and a year after my graduation. Hearing Msgr. Dale (he's got a title people) speak and going to and being invovled with Life Teen, reading thier source materials didn't give me this impression either. If it was the case that a "variance" was allowed, then no one ever talked about it, even though the "variances" were resisted throughout Mesa (the city that St. Timothy's is in). Actually, it's been my experience that the problems from Life Teen all stem from changes that had no precedent set, ie, altar gather (there is no mention of teens or children not being allowed in the sanctuary because it was not forseen that this action would ever happen), just to set the record straight, regardless if I am a "cannon lawyer wannabe" or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toledo_jesus Posted October 1, 2004 Share Posted October 1, 2004 exactly, it's that attitude of taking liberties. 100 years ago a Catholic would not dream of striding up to Jesus in the Eucharist to watch him. The reason there was nothing explicit about altar gathering was because it was foreign to the idea of reverence...How do you just walk up to Our Lord and stand there? One of these days I'll just curmudgeon myself into oblivion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rachael Posted October 1, 2004 Share Posted October 1, 2004 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted October 1, 2004 Share Posted October 1, 2004 [quote]Sorry, you "Canon Lawyer wannabes". The Altar Gather and the revised closing prayer was a temporary variance allowed for the program, subject to the permission of the local Bishop and within the "aculturation paramaters". The magesterium reviewed it, weighed the pros and cons, and decided the benefits do not outweigh the negatives so permission to allow the Bishops decide was recinded. No need to be so negative. LifeTeen did it to increase the knowledge of, belief in, and appreciation for the Real Presence in the Eucharist. Something that many Catholics are weak in. Fr. Dale (founder of LT) didn't kick up a fuss. He immediately directed all parishes to comply with the directives from Rome. He will not be happy with any parish that disobeys the Bishop or Rome. Gee. Why do some people have to be so close minded and only see the worse in everything? How Calvinistic[/quote] hmmm..... one could [i]probably[/i] be considered "closed minded" but only because they were displeased to see the Mass change when it wasn't suppose to...... and one could [i]probably[/i] be called "negative" but that might make sense since abuses are......well....abuses are negative. and we're talking about abuses in this thread. and one could [i]probably[/i] be called a "canon lawyer wannabe" just by wanting the [i]GIRM[/i] to be followed.... Calvinist? interesting. very. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted October 1, 2004 Share Posted October 1, 2004 [quote name='toledo_jesus' date='Sep 30 2004, 08:17 PM'] exactly, it's that attitude of taking liberties. 100 years ago a Catholic would not dream of striding up to Jesus in the Eucharist to watch him. The reason there was nothing explicit about altar gathering was because it was foreign to the idea of reverence...How do you just walk up to Our Lord and stand there? One of these days I'll just curmudgeon myself into oblivion. [/quote] ummm. Jesus is coming to us, Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity. It is much more intimate then "striding up to Jesus in the Eucharist to watch him". We are eating Him physically and receiving Him intimately into our very selves. We are "gnawing" His Flesh. We aren't as seperated from His Glory and Power and Perfect Divinity as you would lead us to believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmjag06 Posted October 18, 2004 Author Share Posted October 18, 2004 Just as a follow-up, I attended Mass at this church again tonight. I will note that, since my last visit to the church, I have thought about the differences, and found that most of my concern was a matter of being completely different from the last 17 years of attending Mass. When the lights were turned off to greater emphasize the focus on the altar, I was not suprised by the action, and was able to completely focus my attention on the altar. However, as I suspected, the teens still gathered around the altar during this time, lead by the "leader" of the lifeteen group (sorry, I could not think of what his title would be). Additionally, while the deacon used the traditional closing, many teens (and adults) shouted the LT closing over the rest of the people. The deacon mouthed not any more, but that did not discourage them. I will admit that I was a bit closed-minded in my initial remarks, and now enjoy these LT Masses as much as any other Mass, excluding these abuses. I was unable to stay and speak with the leader tonight, as their LifeNight program immediately followed the Mass and I did not wish to make a scene or delay their program in doing so, probably somewhat selfishly because, being new here, I don't want others to judge me, especially because my Church group in texas was so close and important to me. I no longer see this as a matter of preference, but of obiedence. In my opinon, the only thing relevant is that the churches were to make changes, as directed by the USCCB, the Vatican, and the Lifeteen Program. I am not always the best at expressing my thoughts, and I don't want a statement made out of frustration to hurt my argument, so I am asking for any suggestions as to how to follow up in this matter. Thank you for reading this, assuming you didn't scroll to the bottom and thanks for your opinions. Matthew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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