goldenchild17 Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 Yeah, it goes something like "God has given all sufficient grace to be saved" or something like that. Anybody know which one this is, or does in exist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 (edited) DRV 2Cor:12:9: 9 And he said to me: My grace is sufficient for thee: for power is made perfect in infirmity. Gladly therefore will I glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may dwell in me. NAB 2Cor:12:9 9 but he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for power is made perfect in weakness." I will rather boast most gladly of my weaknesses, in order that the power of Christ may dwell with me. [9b-10a] Paul draws the conclusion from the autobiographical anecdote and integrates it into the subject of this part of the boast. Weaknesses: the apostolic hardships he must endure, including active personal hostility, as specified in a final catalogue (2 Cor 12:10a). That the power of Christ may dwell with me: Paul pinpoints the ground for the paradoxical strategy he has adopted in his self-defense. 6 [9] But he said to me: Paul's petition is denied; release and healing are withheld for a higher purpose. The Greek perfect tense indicates that Jesus' earlier response still holds at the time of writing. My grace is sufficient for you: this is not a statement about the sufficiency of grace in general. Jesus speaks directly to Paul's situation. Is made perfect: i.e., is given most fully and manifests itself fully. Edited September 23, 2004 by StColette Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenchild17 Posted September 23, 2004 Author Share Posted September 23, 2004 Okay thanks. Yeah that's the one I kept running into in my searches. I just thought there was something to this effect referring to all people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 effect referring to all people ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenchild17 Posted September 23, 2004 Author Share Posted September 23, 2004 Basically, yeah. I guess it's not there. I coulda sworn I saw it somewhere once and it would've been very helpful to me in one of my discussions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 well, a verse such as that one can apply to every Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 (edited) 2 Cor. 12:9-10 - Jesus' grace is sufficient, for His power is made perfect in weakness. If we are weak, we are strong in Christ. Summa Theologica Objection 2: Further, there is but one sanctifying grace in man, since it is sufficient, according to 2 Cor. 12:9: "My grace is sufficient for thee." But the same thing cannot be before and after. Therefore grace is not fittingly divided into prevenient and subsequent. Reply to Objection 2: The division into prevenient and subsequent grace does not divide grace in its essence, but only in its effects, as was already said of operating and cooperating grace. For subsequent grace, inasmuch as it pertains to glory, is not numerically distinct from prevenient grace whereby we are at present justified. For even as the charity of the earth is not voided in heaven, so must the same be said of the light of grace, since the notion of neither implies imperfection. still looking..... Edited September 23, 2004 by StColette Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 St. Jerome Bible Commentary The thorn of the flesh... impurity... smoking... weaknesses... (12:7-10): 12:7To keep me from becoming conceited because of these surpassingly great revelations, there was given me a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me. 8Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. 9But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me. 10That is why, for Christ's sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong. Yes, every Christian, every good priest or bishop, like Paul, will have a thorn in his flesh: May be impurity, or hard words, or smoking, or any other kind of weakness... keep on going!... if you pray, and it doesn't go away, keep on going!... it is to keep you to become proud... for when you are really weak, then you really become strong by the grace of God, praise the Lord!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenchild17 Posted September 23, 2004 Author Share Posted September 23, 2004 Hmm, okay thanks for looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 awesome, very good work Colette! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 ty Phat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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