Ash Wednesday Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 Oh, dear. Hi, Morph. One question. Have you ever been to Belfast or Northern Ireland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 [quote name='Raphael' date='Sep 23 2004, 04:15 PM'] Even if it were the case that the US were a terror organization: 1. The US is a sovereign state. 2. The US is devoted to many things other than terrorism, including anti-terrorism. 3. The US is generally a peaceful nation. [/quote] [b]1. The US is a sovereign state.[/b] And what do you think the IRA, PIRA, CIRA are fighting for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 [quote name='Raphael' date='Sep 23 2004, 04:19 PM'] You think you're the only person of Irish descent here? I'm half Irish, and a most interesting mix, 25% Northern "Orangeman" Irish and 25% Southern "Greenman" or "Mick" Irish. I have friends whose homes were bombed by terrorists in Ireland. I'm against the IRA and everything it stands for. Furthermore, you keep saying that it is hypocritical for Americans to be against the IRA, but if America really does sponsor terror, and you are against it, but support the IRA, the main purpose of which is terror, wouldn't that make you a hypocrite, too? [/quote] [quote]I'm against the IRA and everything it stands for.[/quote] IRA stands for a unified Ireland. That is the whole point of the organization. So you are against that. [quote]Furthermore, you keep saying that it is hypocritical for Americans to be against the IRA, but if America really does sponsor terror, and you are against it, but support the IRA, the main purpose of which is terror, wouldn't that make you a hypocrite, too?[/quote] No no no. nice twist, see this is why I save my work on here now. I said its hypocritical of the US Admin to call others terrorists, when it is one itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 [quote name='Ash Wednesday' date='Sep 23 2004, 04:27 PM'] Oh, dear. Hi, Morph. One question. Have you ever been to Belfast or Northern Ireland? [/quote] No. If your trying to use that as an excuse, that Im somehow stupid or ignorant about it then, dont bother, a scientists can be in a lab, and still learn the truth. If your not, then ignore the above. gb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 Does the IRA employ bad ways to get their independence? Just because you're against a group does not mean you don't support their cause. This is way too often what people think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 [quote name='MorphRC' date='Sep 23 2004, 02:00 AM'] IRA stands for a unified Ireland. That is the whole point of the organization. So you are against that. No no no. nice twist, see this is why I save my work on here now. I said its hypocritical of the US Admin to call others terrorists, when it is one itself. [/quote] No, the IRA stands for an Ireland of segregation, where non-Catholics are killed and exiled in mass numbers. I'm against that. And I am saying that you ally with terrorists and call the US a terrorist country. That is hypocrisy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 [quote name='qfnol31' date='Sep 23 2004, 04:33 PM'] Does the IRA employ bad ways to get their independence? Just because you're against a group does not mean you don't support their cause. This is way too often what people think. [/quote] The IRA has been on ceasefire since 1994. There are two groups, splinter groups that have been known to do kidnappings and bank robberies to support their cause. Ive never heard of the IRA doing that. The CIRA[i believe], have taken out their targets, and tasks, without killing anyone but the target. The PIRA are still active, and the INLA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 [quote name='Raphael' date='Sep 23 2004, 04:34 PM'] No, the IRA stands for an Ireland of segregation, where non-Catholics are killed and exiled in mass numbers. I'm against that. And I am saying that you ally with terrorists and call the US a terrorist country. That is hypocrisy. [/quote] Lol. Where do you get this?? Its gotta be fox news! Sinn Fein is the political wing of the IRA, yet they dont want all non-caths dead and murdered. Can u get a source for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 [quote name='MorphRC' date='Sep 23 2004, 02:09 AM'] Lol. Where do you get this?? Its gotta be fox news! Sinn Fein is the political wing of the IRA, yet they dont want all non-caths dead and murdered. Can u get a source for that. [/quote] A terrorist organization always wants evil. FoxNews said no such thing. It can be gathered from the obvious political motivations guiding the group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 [quote name='Raphael' date='Sep 23 2004, 04:44 PM'] A terrorist organization always wants evil. FoxNews said no such thing. It can be gathered from the obvious political motivations guiding the group. [/quote] source plz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 [quote name='MorphRC' date='Sep 23 2004, 02:16 AM'] source plz. [/quote] I'm too tired for this... You honestly mean to tell me that you can't see with your own eyes the motivation involved in this? The IRA bombs civilians for the purpose of terrorizing them into leaving the country. That is terrorism designed to exile a population and kill others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 The Provos Provisional Irish Republican Army (PIRA) Description Radical terrorist group formed in 1969 as clandestine armed wing of Sinn Fein, a legal political movement dedicated to removing British forces from Northern Ireland and unifying Ireland. Has a Marxist orientation. Organized into small, tightly knit cells under the leadership of the Army Council. Activities Bombings, assassinations, kidnappings, punishment beatings, extortion, and robberies. Targets have included senior British Government officials, British military and police in Northern Ireland, and Northern Irish Loyalist paramilitary groups. Bombing campaigns have been conducted against train and subway stations and shopping areas on mainland Britain, as well as against British and Royal Ulster Constabulary targets in Northern Ireland and a British military facility on the European Continent. The IRA has been observing a cease-fire since July 1997 and previously observed a cease-fire from 1 September 1994 to February 1996. [url="http://library.nps.navy.mil/home/tgp/ira.htm"]http://library.nps.navy.mil/home/tgp/ira.htm[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 [quote name='MorphRC' date='Sep 23 2004, 01:02 AM'] No. If your trying to use that as an excuse, that Im somehow stupid or ignorant about it then, dont bother, a scientists can be in a lab, and still learn the truth. If your not, then ignore the above. gb [/quote] I won't imply ignorance simply because you've never been there. Maybe you're quite read up on the subject. But still I highly recommend you travel there for a while and you might be surprised at how black and white the situation really is not and how much people on both sides distort things. I mean, seriously. How do you think a lot of the commoners feel about all this? What do you say to the Irishmen that want to stay under the crown because they, while considering themselves of Irish heritage, believe in everyday life matters, they feel that is best for them and their families and they are sick of the violence? Or the British who say, let them have it and be done with it? What do you say to the complacent Irish in the south (and there are a lot of them) who really don't care what goes on there? And most of all, what do you say to the lot of them who are sick of it all? Most of those people there just want [b]peace.[/b] Other sad examples of human beings just want something to do. I don't understand why Northern Ireland can't just become their own country anyway, and just become their own small haven like San Marino or Monte Carlo. Too many stubborn people, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 [url="http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/ira.htm"]http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/ira.htm[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 I posted three pages of articles the other day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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