azaelia Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 [quote name='carrdero' date='Sep 23 2004, 08:32 PM'] This is a very good scripture to indicate that we were indeed spiritual entities with GOD before becoming physical entities. [/quote] You're very good at twisting meanings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carrdero Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 [quote]littleflower+JMJ writes: your finger does NOT make up another human.....[/quote] Not yet, but science is working on that as well. Also the loss of my finger does not make me any less human, it just makes me not a very good pianist. [quote]littleflower+JMJ writes: human life in its earliest forms......[/quote] Well this is what NATURE does. It is programmed to create a human shell. NATURE doesn’t decide what kind of life we exist or experience, we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 carrdero, can you prove to me that God gave those answers? thanks. peace in Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carrdero Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 [quote]Azaelia writes: You're very good at twisting meanings.[/quote] Actually there are other organizations that are much better at it than I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 [quote]Well this is what NATURE does. [/quote] nature? again have you studied this? again you are not making sense...... LIFE is a miracle.....from God. why would you degrade his creation by calling it a shell? [quote] It is programmed to create a human shell. NATURE doesn’t decide what kind of life we exist or experience, we do. [/quote] sorry but again it is not a shell. its a body with a spirit full of life from God, created by Him from the moment of conception. God bless, flowery +JMJ+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 [quote name='carrdero' date='Sep 23 2004, 07:47 PM'] Actually there are other organizations that are much better at it than I am. [/quote] so your are oh dear carredo that is not what the verse is about. what the verse is saying... aka GOD is saying to us through Holy and Sacred Scripture the Holy Bible is a great source to go to....written by people who not only [b]Knew[/b] Him but do not [i]Contradict[/i] Him, all inspired by the Holy Spirit. we ARE somebody before we are born, He, the Creator of LIFE, knows us, He created us, We are somebody, from the VERY beginning, forming us in the palm of His Hand..... NOT a shell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oik Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 Carrdero, you still haven't answered the requests as to your authority, as several people have addressed it. You are not going to get off by saying "god told me so." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mamalove Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 Carrdero: What about babies that survive abortion. I'm not talking about the mother that changes her mind, but the babies that actually, physically survive an abortion. Do they just walk around without a soul? Sorry, but your logic just isn't making any sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carrdero Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 [quote]littleflower+JMJ writes: carrdero, can you prove to me that God gave you those answers?[/quote] Actually I must confess I have been spending a great deal of my time focusing on PROVING the message rather than the messenger. Not that the messenger didn’t impress me (I did manage to maintain my skepticism throughout the experience) but I thought that PROVING the messages would probably lead to the TRUTH about the messenger. In some cases subjects that I discussed with GOD were usually validated within a few days but again it would be very difficult to express this as PROOF except to myself. I could probably relate to you the tremendous patience and understanding and Love that I felt when conversing with this BEing but it is a bit difficult to convey these emotions to other people as evidence. Another interesting thing that I should mention that happened for me during the beginning stages of my REALationship with GOD which also coincides within the light of Jeremiah 1:5 (sorry Azaelia, I really did think we were on the same page with the Jerimiah scripture). When I was talking to this entity there was a certain recognition, a familiar feeling that I had met this entity before. I think it is that REMEMBRANCE that has me leaning toward the PROOF that this could indeed be the entity called GOD. I also think GOD rejoices when and if we finally do recognize and REMEMBER Him in this physical existence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 [quote name='carrdero' date='Sep 23 2004, 11:59 PM'] Actually I must confess I have been spending a great deal of my time focusing on PROVING the message rather than the messenger. Not that the messenger didn’t impress me (I did manage to maintain my skepticism throughout the experience) but I thought that PROVING the messages would probably lead to the TRUTH about the messenger. In some cases subjects that I discussed with GOD were usually validated within a few days but again it would be very difficult to express this as PROOF except to myself. I could probably relate to you the tremendous patience and understanding and Love that I felt when conversing with this BEing but it is a bit difficult to convey these emotions to other people as evidence. Another interesting thing that I should mention that happened for me during the beginning stages of my REALationship with GOD which also coincides within the light of Jeremiah 1:5 (sorry Azaelia, I really did think we were on the same page with the Jerimiah scripture). When I was talking to this entity there was a certain recognition, a familiar feeling that I had met this entity before. I think it is that REMEMBRANCE that has me leaning toward the PROOF that this could indeed be the entity called GOD. I also think GOD rejoices when and if we finally do recognize and REMEMBER Him in this physical existence. [/quote] im sorry but i think in order to prove the message you can't skip around how you got it. the Catholic Church has the message, and we can back it up too. thats whats so awesome, the apostles, Holy Tradition, our linage of Popes, [b]history itself[/b]! all do not contradict the Word of God with His Church today. :wub: God already took care of the message long time ago.....when He established a Church. feelings are great and are good at times but none can be used to hold any authority...... also how about in Luke? when the Blessed Mother said, "let it be done unto me accornding to thy word'......and The Word was made Flesh? surely Christ was Christ even before He was born.... in the womb. pax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carrdero Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 [quote]littleflower+JMJ writes:nature? again have you studied this? again you are not making sense......[/quote] The only thing that I K(NOW) about NATURE is what I have observed and learned throughout my life and what GOD has told me about it’s origin, PURPOSE, its function and the difference to tell what is NATURAL and what is UNNATURAL. [quote]littleflower+JMJ writes: LIFE is a miracle.....from God. why would you degrade his creation by calling it a shell?[/quote] Yes but it is our spirit that helps in making our existence a miracle. We can assist GOD and participate in our miracles. Also I do think you are obtaining the proper perspective when I use the term shell. Shell-as in housing. I wouldn’t think of degrading the human shell, it’s where I keep all my life-stuff so that it doesn’t fall out. [quote]littleflower+JMJ writes: what the verse is saying... aka GOD is saying to us through Holy and Sacred Scripture the Holy Bible is a great source to go to....written by people who not only Knew Him but do not Contradict Him, all inspired by the Holy Spirit. [/quote] littleflower+JMJ, just wondering, can you prove to me that God gave those answers to those people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carrdero Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 (edited) [quote]Oik writes: Carrdero, you still haven't answered the requests as to your authority, as several people have addressed it. You are not going to get off by saying "god told me so."[/quote] Oik I apologize for not getting back sooner but I was wondering what authority did you require? The only reason I ask is just that I wasn't aware that I needed any. Edited September 24, 2004 by carrdero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 [quote]littleflower+JMJ, just wondering, can you prove to me that God gave those answers to those people?[/quote] yup. Holy Spirit inspired, Holy Spirit approved, by the writers who knew and lived in the time. History, records, artifacts.....all proof that Holy Scripture makes and holds scared. Sacred writing is awesome like that. its not just anyone ......its someone who writings have been perserved for thousands of years, miraculously still here, intact in meannig to be read by you today..... we know what it means because of the meaning and context has also been passed down (oral tradition) yup the G-O-D..... one word: history. one we can trust, leaving no other even up for competition... sorry im if im confusing you.......i m still with training wheels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 [quote name='carrdero' date='Sep 24 2004, 12:49 AM'] Oik I apologize for not getting back sooner but I was wondering what authority did you require? The only reason I ask is just that I wasn't aware that I needed any. [/quote] did you not say God answered those questions? thats a big claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 carrdero, the point i ws trying to make was that [i] anyone[/i] can say what you say and there is just no way of proving or making it into anything cuz anyone can say that......and when things start to contradict or just lack foundation how can they be accepted? i have heard this line many times.....what makes one different than another? and anything that needs to be beleived needs to be proven True. there has to be more. you need proof and fact to do so. thats why i asked, its good to ask, nothing should just be accepted but questioned as well. question, search, find. thats why I'm Catholic. its all about finding answers, finding proof. sorry to hijak this thread...i guess back to the LIFE issue? pax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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