EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted September 19, 2004 Share Posted September 19, 2004 From last week's bulletin: [quote][b]Praying at Mass[/b] Students who had attended St. Tom’s in past years may remember that for several years when this community gathered for Mass everyone was invited to pray the Opening and Closing Prayers of Mass (found on the back of the bulletin) with the priest. These prayers have always, by general guidelines for Mass, been assigned to the priest. In an effort to help all of us participate more fully in all the Mass [b]we had stretched the boundaries[/b] and had invited the community to join in these prayers. We no longer do that. We have been instructed by Bishop Blair to follow the original guidelines. Praying these prayers together made us conscious of the words and made the prayer more our own. Now that we no longer pray the words aloud with Fr. Ken, we invite you to find a way to alert yourselves to the prayer offered in our name. When Fr. Ken says “Let us pray,” you will notice that he pauses to give us a chance to pray in our own words before he gathers the prayers of the community together in the “Collect.” Some may find it advantageous to cup your hands in a receiving posture (similar to receiving communion) or bow your heads, or raise your hands in the “orans” posture (as Fr. Ken does as he leads the prayer). Physical postures help alert our ears and hearts in readiness to accept the words as ours. [b]What had been gained in voicing the words can now be reclaimed in a gesture which helps us pray those prayers[/b].[/quote] The big bad Bishop made us follow the rules... This weeks: [quote]It is true that the possibility of [b]other models of leadership and/or other models of priesthood[/b] might be in our future, but at the present time that doesn’t seem to be an option.[/quote] [url="http://www.sttoms.com/"]Our website[/url] features links to the ACLU, Women in Black, and the Woodstock Theological Center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinner Posted September 19, 2004 Share Posted September 19, 2004 And this is a bad thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oik Posted September 19, 2004 Share Posted September 19, 2004 Thay's kinda scary... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted September 19, 2004 Author Share Posted September 19, 2004 A very bad thing. A different "model" of the priesthood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominaNostra Posted September 19, 2004 Share Posted September 19, 2004 Are they Catholic? Hmm...I suppose it depends on the definition. Some may say that Arius was "Catholic" even as he believed heresy. They are defintely heretics and dissenters who scandalize the faithful. I wouldn't call that Catholic. God bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted September 19, 2004 Share Posted September 19, 2004 When a church or a Catholic promotes liberal ideas, they are still Catholic. Not good Catholic, or orthodox Catholic, but they are still part of the Church. It doesn't make them non-Catholic, it just makes them poor examples of authentic Catholicism. It's amazing how Catholics are hot to trot to fight good social issues like poverty or racism, but are quiet about abortion, or strengthening the family, or marriages? It must not be a very "hip" thing to speak out against. I noticed on their website they talked about "being a voice for life" -- against the death penalty. Not that this is a bad thing, necessarily, but I didn't read anything about abortion on the whole site, or so much as a link to any pro-life groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominaNostra Posted September 19, 2004 Share Posted September 19, 2004 I don't want to change the topic of the thread, but doesn't the Church support the death penalty? I know that the Pope is personally against it under certain social controls in a certain time in history, etc, but the death penalty as a concept is something supported by the Church. The Catechism of the Council of Trent states this explicitly, as does the entire Tradition of the Church, the New Testament, the Old Testament, the Jewish traditions, and natural law. Am I wrong, or did I simply misunderstand your meaning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toledo_jesus Posted September 19, 2004 Share Posted September 19, 2004 From the Catechism: 2266 The State's effort to contain the spread of behaviors injurious to human rights and the fundamental rules of civil coexistence corresponds to the requirement of watching over the common good. [b]Legitimate public authority has the right and duty to inflict penalties commensurate with the gravity of the crime[/b]. The primary scope of the penalty is to redress the disorder caused by the offense. When his punishment is voluntarily accepted by the offender, it takes on the value of expiation. Moreover, punishment, in addition to preserving public order and the safety of persons, has a medicinal scope: as far as possible it should contribute to the correction of the offender.[67] 2267 The traditional teaching of the[b] Church does not exclude[/b], presupposing full ascertainment of the identity and responsibility of the offender, [b]recourse to the death penalty[/b], when this is the [b]only[/b] practicable way to defend the lives of human beings effectively against the aggressor. "If, instead, bloodless means are sufficient to defend against the aggressor and to protect the safety of persons, public authority should limit itself to such means, because they better correspond to the concrete conditions of the common good and are more in conformity to the dignity of the human person. "Today, in fact, given the means at the State's disposal to effectively repress crime by rendering inoffensive the one who has committed it, without depriving him definitively of the possibility of redeeming himself, cases of absolute necessity for suppression of the offender 'today ... are very rare, if not practically non-existent.' [68] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toledo_jesus Posted September 19, 2004 Share Posted September 19, 2004 If only Catholics would listen to our pope. I mean come on people. Who is right? the Pope??? or some woman with a degree from Ignatius Loyola University Online correspondence course? give me a break. I would laugh at them if it wasn't so terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynn Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 dude, Ya know what I would do, I would highlight the unorthodox info in the bulletins and send them on to the office of Bishop Blair. He does want to know about these things. I see that the stories that I've heard about BG are true. God bless Bishop Blair lynn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted September 21, 2004 Author Share Posted September 21, 2004 Bishop Blair's presence in our diocese is a true blessing from God. I've thought about different courses of action. I might e-mail the pastoral leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinner Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 Ok.....now I get it! So what the Bishop is doing is a good thing! When you said the "big bad Bishop" I took it to mean you didn't agree with his corrections. I kinda slow like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted September 21, 2004 Author Share Posted September 21, 2004 Correct. They way it was written, it sounded as if they didn't like the Bishop telling them to get in line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrvoll Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 It is sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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