Shroud Of Turin?

[Crusader_4]

What are your thoughts on the shroud of Turin? Personally, i think it could be but we need to see more evidence about it to confirm that it is indeed truly the burial cloth of Jesus.

[StColette]

I did a huge research paper on this topic my Junior year. I read about 10 books on the subject and did so much digging on the history of the shroud. Some of the tests that they did on the shroud the results from them are awesome.

For example

They did some scanning test with a machine used by NASA, they scanned the shroud and a 3 D image came back but other things with pictures upon them they scanned didn't come back with a 3 D image. Its the only image that has ever produced a result like that.

So in my opinion after a bunch of research I believe it possibly is the burial cloth.

[Pete-ster]

Untill the skeptics and atheistic nay-sayersprove beyond a doubt that it is a fake, I'll believe...

[cathoholic]

Well, according to the documentary I saw, it is believed to be Jesus's burial cloth for two reasons:
1. The way the image is engraved is not a painting or printing method known to man. It appears to have somehow been burnt into it, sorry I don't do a better job explaining it.
2. As strange as it may seem, polen molecules from different plants have been found within the shroud, researchers traced where the shroud has been historically and scientifically prooving the method right. The oldest polen sample was traced to a particular plant growing in the Middle East in the area where Jesus "Suffered, died and was burried"

I really don't do the documentary justice, but it sounds pretty legit, what does the vatican say about it?

[reelguy227]

I believe it .

[cmotherofpirl]

The pollen is dated to the first century Jewrusalem era, the type of weaving is found only one other place - Masada.

Edited September 16, 2004 by cmotherofpirl

[mattosika]

I saw it at St. Peter's square a couple years ago and there is no doubt in my mind that it truely is the burial cloth of our Lord Jesus Christ. Gives my the "holy shivers" just thinking about it

[Luthien]

Among the facts related in the Gospels which are confirmed by the Shroud are the following: bruises on the face, caused by the servants of the High Priest striking Christ; the scourging, which was by two men, one taller than the other, ans which covered the entire body; the crown of thorns, which wasnt a circlit, but a cap; thw lance wound in the heart and the emission of a watery fluid as well as blood; the nail wounds, which were in the wrists, not the palms, and which severed the median nerves, causing the thumbs to be jammed against the palms, so that the thumbs are inivisible on the Shroud; carrying of the cross, whiched rubbed against the shoulders and produced a large abrasion; the falls, attested by wounds on the knees and traces of dirt; the crucifixion itself, attested by differing patterns of blood flow caused by the crucified mans raising and lowering of his body in order to breath.

The Shroud also shows that two coins were placed over the eyes, as was customary in Jewish burials. By high magnification it can be seen that these coins were ones minited only by Pontious Pilate in Palestine between October 28 AD and October 31 AD.

These are just some tidits from my history book, Christ the King: Lord of History by Anne W. Carroll

[kateri05]

[quote name='mattosika' date='Sep 16 2004, 08:47 AM'] I saw it at St. Peter's square a couple years ago and there is no doubt in my mind that it truely is the burial cloth of our Lord Jesus Christ. Gives my the "holy shivers" just thinking about it [/quote]
ooh the holy shivers!! now i know what to call that feeling!

[LSW]

I think the latest theory about the Shroud is that a color producing chemical reaction called the Maillard reaction caused the mysterious image to appear
on the cloth. Now this doesn't disprove it as being the authentic burial cloth
of Christ, just that it wasn't a miraculous event. I don't want to get into the
technical aspect of it all, but if anybody is interested in reading more then
go here: [url="http://www.shroudstory.com/"]http://www.shroudstory.com/[/url]

God bless.

[cathoholic]

OK, so the image is suppose to be a rare chemical reaction. Past studies showed it to be 600yrs. old, but newer studies suggest it to be at least 1300yrs. old, maybe older. In any case, science is proving this to be the authentic shroud used for Jesus' burial.

Thanks for the articcle LSW

Edited September 16, 2004 by cathoholic

[Sinner]

Well......... it is a cool thing....... or not. But it has little to do with my Faith. Jesus lived, a fact which is not disputed.

[LSW]

[quote name='cathoholic' date='Sep 16 2004, 03:44 PM']

Thanks for the articcle LSW [/quote]
Anytime. :thumb:

[Shroudie]

It really is extraordinary that after all these years no one can explain, for certain, how the images were formed. Yes we now know the chemistry of the images and how they are “stored” as double-double carbon bonds within a carbohydrate coating that covers some of the fibers. They do seem to be the product of an amino-carbonyl reaction (Maillard) because nothing else in chemistry will produce this product except caramelization from heat. But heat must be ruled out because the amount of heat needed for a caramel reaction will ablate the cellulose fibers and that has not happened.

[img]http://www.shroudstory.com/image2/discyellow20.jpg[/img]

But in the end there is something about the images that says they are too photorealistic and too correct to have been simply produced by chance. Read: [url="http://www.shroudstory.com/faq-burial-of-caiaphas.htm"]The Shroud of Caiaphas[/url]. It is sort of a CSI Ancient Jerusalem.

Even God, if this image is miraculous, needs to “store” an image so human eyes can see it. Nature can do that, of course. But really, such a perfectly formed, properly exposed, well focused, accurate, photorealistic image. A faker can do it if he knew the technology (good grief, these are negative images and there is no way even today to do this thing in a lab).

The Shroud seems to defy our attempts at proof, and perhaps faith would not want it any other way.

Shroudie

[Donna]

Well said, Sinner.

Exactly, Luthien, the coins date the Image, no carbon dating is needed. God bless the good (Jesuit I think) priest who did that magnification work!

Pio Secunda is the photographer who first saw the image of the Holy Face...an exact negative...we couldn't begin to uncover the miracle the Shroud is w/out the 20th century technological advances.

Check out STURP (Shroud of Turin Research Project) and Pierre Barbet ("A Doctor At Calvary.").

As one author said, re: the abundance of proofs for its authenticity: [i]it takes a greater leap of faith to [b]dis[/b]-believe in the Shroud.[/i]