Suffering

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acts 14:22

"it is necessary for us to undergo many hardships to enter the kingdom of God."

pretty cut and dry there no?

[carrdero]

[quote]StColette writes: Carrdero, can you provide Biblical verses that support that we must avoid suffering ? I would like to see them because somewhere through the knowledge that I have of the Bible I missed the verses that say we are to avoid suffering.[/quote]

Actually I do believe we are quoting from two different sources. The examples that I have provided were from the Bible that I K(NOW) and use so there is a good possibility that you indeed missed those verses.

[quote]StColette writes: Just in case you didn't go to that site I provided with Biblical evidence that we are to endure and embrace suffering here it is:[/quote]

Yes I did visit the site and I want to thank you for the extra understanding. Any additional information Phatmass members provide me I am ALL(WAYS) appreciative for.

[StColette]

[quote name='carrdero' date='Sep 14 2004, 10:17 PM'] Actually I do believe we are quoting from two different sources. The examples that I have provided were from the Bible that I K(NOW) and use so there is a good possibility that you indeed missed those verses. [/quote]
May I ask what Bible you use ?

Because I've been through the KJV, DRV, NAB, and NAS and haven't found any verses saying we should avoid suffering.

God Bless,
Jennie

[White Knight]

[b]Luke 9:23 "Then He said to them all [color=red]'If anyone desires to come after Me, let him denine himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me."[/b][/color] [b]NKJV[/b]


[b]Denine & Crufia your Flesh, Walk in the Spirit, Follow Jesus, do what he wants you to do, and do less of what you wanna do apart from what the LORD doesn't want you to do, meaning if you do something that you like but God doesn't approve of, denine it and fellow Jesus, yes it may hurt, and you may suffer, but in the end its worth it, if you stay faithful to it.[/b]


God Bless You All.

Edited September 15, 2004 by White Knight

[carrdero]

[quote]StColette writes: May I ask what Bible you use ?[/quote]

The Bible that I now incorporate into my present life is a book entitled Hello It’s Me; An Interview With GOD. It is a modern translation and the only sacred writings I can trust because I K(NOW) both authors intimately.

[img]http://www.jfaproductions.com/hellojacket.jpg[/img]

[jasJis]

[quote name='carrdero' date='Sep 15 2004, 09:11 AM']
The Bible that I now incorporate into my present life is a book entitled Hello It’s Me; An Interview With GOD. It is a modern translation and the only sacred writings I can trust because I K(NOW) both authors intimately.

[img]http://www.jfaproductions.com/hellojacket.jpg[/img] [/quote]
Heeeee Haaaaawwww!!!

[cmotherofpirl]

:spammer: Edited September 15, 2004 by cmotherofpirl

[StColette]

[quote name='carrdero' date='Sep 15 2004, 09:11 AM'] The Bible that I now incorporate into my present life is a book entitled Hello It’s Me; An Interview With GOD. It is a modern translation and the only sacred writings I can trust because I K(NOW) both authors intimately.

[/quote]
Okay so the Bible that you're using isn't an actual translation of like the traditional Greek and Hebrew translations? You, yourself just said that it's a book and not actually a Bible. From reading about this book you incorporate as your Bible it seems more or less to be a meditation on things and not really the Gospel. Doesn't the Bible say not to change the Bible such as taking books out or fitting the Bible to one's person wants ?

God Bless,
Jennie

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='StColette' date='Sep 15 2004, 02:55 PM'] Okay so the Bible that you're using isn't an actual translation of like the traditional Greek and Hebrew translations? You, yourself just said that it's a book and not actually a Bible. From reading about this book you incorporate as your Bible it seems more or less to be a meditation on things and not really the Gospel. Doesn't the Bible say not to change the Bible such as taking books out or fitting the Bible to one's person wants ?

God Bless,
Jennie [/quote]
THis is the new age book he wrote

[StColette]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Sep 15 2004, 02:26 PM'] THis is the new age book he wrote [/quote]
Yeah, I had a slight inclination that it was

[White Knight]

Suffering is necessary to become more Christ Like.

[StColette]

[quote name='White Knight' date='Sep 15 2004, 08:53 PM'] Suffering is necessary to become more Christ Like. [/quote]
right you are

[carrdero]

[quote]StColette writes: Okay so the Bible that you're using isn't an actual translation of like the traditional Greek and Hebrew translations? You, yourself just said that it's a book and not actually a Bible.[/quote]

It is not THE BIBLE but it is “a bible” (it says so in the first page of the Introduction). Just because I didn’t have my Bible finished at the time THE BIBLE was being bound shouldn’t discount it’s significance.

[quote]StColette writes: From reading about this book you incorporate as your Bible it seems more or less to be a meditation on things and not really the Gospel.[/quote]

It’s the Gospel According to Patrick (My parents named me after a Catholic priest). It is still as real as a REALationship as some other authors have had with GOD. Am I qualifying?

[quote]StColette writes: Doesn't the Bible say not to change the Bible such as taking books out or fitting the Bible to one's person wants ?[/quote]

Possibly, but everyone’s Bible reads and looks different. Go into any bookstore and you will see that they have a whole section dedicated to different Bibles. They even have them in original Hebrew! Besides, I am not looking to edit THE BIBLE anybody can write their own Bible from their own relationship with GOD. I believe GOD still “allows” this.

[quote]cmotherofpirl  writes: THis is the new age book he wrote
StColette writes: Yeah, I had a slight inclination that it was[/quote]

Actually it's Old Age. These TRUTH's have been purported to exist even before the creation of the earth. They may be new to you because you are just becoming aware of these concepts.

[StColette]

[quote]It is not THE BIBLE but it is “a bible” (it says so in the first page of the Introduction). Just because I didn’t have my Bible finished at the time THE BIBLE was being bound shouldn’t discount it’s significance.[/quote]

So just because it says that it's "a bible" on the front page of the introduction you believe it is ? Any book could say it's "a bible" for example say some author wrote a book that was totally fictional but put "this is a bible" on the introductory page. We would know that this isn't a true Bible. Discerning what is true Scripture and what isn't is very important.

[quote]It’s the Gospel According to Patrick (My parents named me after a Catholic priest). It is still as real as a REALationship as some other authors have had with GOD. Am I qualifying?[/quote]

The authors of the books of the Bible were inspired by God and thus wrote the words which God inspired them to write. There is one Gospel but 4 versions of the Gospel. Each of those Gospel versions corresponds with the others. Furthermore each book that is within the Bible does not contradict any of the others. When the completion of the books that would be contained within the Bible centuries ago that Canon of Scripture was closed meaning no books were to be added nor were books to be taken away from Scripture. This example of "a bible" that you gave is showing something that clearly is taking away and adding to the true Bible.

[quote]Possibly, but everyone’s Bible reads and looks different. Go into any bookstore and you will see that they have a whole section dedicated to different Bibles. They even have them in original Hebrew! [/quote]

You're correct there are many different translations of the Bible. But The King James Version has many errors and has books missing from it which makes this Bible version null and void because they took away books of the Bible that were in the original Canon of Scripture which this Canon of Scripture indicated that those books were true Scripture. The main reason for those books to be taken out was do to the fact that those books upheld many of the Catholic Church's teachings.

[quote]Besides, I am not looking to edit THE BIBLE anybody can write their own Bible from their own relationship with GOD. I believe GOD still “allows” this.[/quote]

Umm no one can write their own Bible. There's only one correct form of the Bible and the books within it are the Word of God. God never allowed people to write their own Bible so I'm not to sure where you got that idea at. That would be like saying we could write our own 10 Commandments to live by. God inspired the writing of one Bible.

[quote]Actually it's Old Age. These TRUTH's have been purported to exist even before the creation of the earth. They may be new to you because you are just becoming aware of these concepts.[/quote]

How did you come to the conclusion that the words within that book in which you trust as "a bible" is the Truth that has been in existence since before the creation of the earth ?

[Sinner]

It is apparent a "biblical" discussion will get us nowhere. Perhaps logistics would be better....
Mankind as far as anyone living can recall has always suffered. We can accept it and offer it up for a better purpose.....or we can not accept it and drown ourselves in negative behaviors that will not stop the suffering anyhow. I prefer the idea of suffering with grace and dignity and offering it up to my God.