Chris Zewe Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Times have changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 [quote name='Chris Zewe' date='Sep 12 2004, 03:22 PM'] Better get rid of your computer. They may find a Sesame Street ad which has animals (even though they're puppets) being treated with respect and as equals, rather than being slaughtered which is why your God supposedly put them here for. As for not attacking him, I'll try again... Homeschooled kids get beat up. There. [/quote] That's just uncalled for. I'm afraid you have no clue what reasons are behind the ideals on how to raise children to be saints. It does not mean they will be sheltered. Please stop writing as if the purpose of life is to experience everything and that any attempt to protect a person from scandal and to preserve holiness is making them less of a person. Intellectual Secularist Epicurean Experimentalism is my worst enemy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Zewe Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 You've raised your kids as insanely devout Catholics since their birth (don't tell me I'm wrong here, I'm not). They've never had the chance to convert or even try out other religions. You live in America for the freedoms, right? If one of your kids came home from...um...bleh, I can't think of anything since they don't go to school and thus have no friends, but...came home from somewhere and said "Daddy, I want to be a Wiccan.", you'd hit the roof I'm sure. Why not give them some of those freedoms, rather than keeping them inside a bubble? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Chris-- In one thread you advocate people censoring what their children see (rather than taking volience and sex off tv altogether) and call it "parenting"... then when someone advocates doing just that (as Raph is doing in this thread) you attack. What gives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Zewe Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 In that other thread I was saying that the news has no reason to be censored and that if you don't want your kids watching violence and sex on tv you can keep them from it by telling them not to. Hiding it from them entirely just makes it all the more wanted. In this case, Raphael is hiding his kids under his skirt and giving them not even a glimpse of the real world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelFilo Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 [quote name='Chris Zewe' date='Sep 12 2004, 03:42 PM'] You've raised your kids as insanely devout Catholics since their birth (don't tell me I'm wrong here, I'm not). They've never had the chance to convert or even try out other religions. You live in America for the freedoms, right? If one of your kids came home from...um...bleh, I can't think of anything since they don't go to school and thus have no friends, but...came home from somewhere and said "Daddy, I want to be a Wiccan.", you'd hit the roof I'm sure. Why not give them some of those freedoms, rather than keeping them inside a bubble? [/quote] Chris Chris Chris ( your name is an oxymoron to your actions ). Rapheal doesn't have kids, he happens to be in college. Trying stuff isn't really the best way to go about things. He isn't sheltering them, but instead, prepearing them agains tthe evil of this world. See, the difference would be in one, he wouldn't let them out of his sight. In the second, he guides them so that when it is time to let them go, they know how to act, and not totally mess up their lives. If your going to talk about parenting, please have some experience (your only what, 15?). God bless, Mikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 [quote name='Chris Zewe' date='Sep 12 2004, 03:42 PM'] You've raised your kids as insanely devout Catholics since their birth (don't tell me I'm wrong here, I'm not). They've never had the chance to convert or even try out other religions. You live in America for the freedoms, right? If one of your kids came home from...um...bleh, I can't think of anything since they don't go to school and thus have no friends, but...came home from somewhere and said "Daddy, I want to be a Wiccan.", you'd hit the roof I'm sure. Why not give them some of those freedoms, rather than keeping them inside a bubble? [/quote] If you're talking to me, then you're wrong. I have no kids. Please reread my original post carefully. Sorry, it's somewhat ambiguous. LOL...I'm only 19. I live in America because I was born here. Ideally, I would live in the Vatican or Athanasia. True freedom is found in Catholicism. I would raise my children as devout Catholics, but there is not upper limit on how devout one can be without being described as "insane." If someday my child wanted to be Wiccan, I would pray to God that He would do something and I would do all I could to bring him or her before God. As for giving her the freedom to become a Wiccan, freedom is God-given, not state-given. The state can work to ensure that certain God-given freedoms reach its people, but it cannot give freedoms. No one has the right to reject God, but only the ability. On the other hand, everyone has the right not to be forced to believe in something. These are not contradictory. The world in which I would raise my children is not a bubble. They would know of the evil in the world because they would have to live with it. I wouldn't keep them locked in my house, afterall. However, I wouldn't let them be fed the poisonous lies and filth from the public education system, secular television, etc. Why would you give your child poison? MichaelFilo hit the nail on the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Zewe Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 [i]Rapheal doesn't have kids, he happens to be in college. [/i] Bah...I misinterpreted his original post here. Forgive me...you have to, or you'll burn in hell anyway. [i]Chris Chris Chris ( your name is an oxymoron to your actions ).[/i] Again, I can't change my name yet. And I think I'll keep it anyway. Or possibly change it to Christ... [i]Trying stuff isn't really the best way to go about things. He isn't sheltering them, but instead, prepearing them agains tthe evil of this world. See, the difference would be in one, he wouldn't let them out of his sight. In the second, he guides them so that when it is time to let them go, they know how to act, and not totally mess up their lives.[/i] Aye, great plan. Let's say they meet a Hindu in an elevator or something somewhere and they ask why he has a dot (I forget what it's called, no offense meant to any Hindus who read this) on his forehead. He'll explain that he's a Hindu and Raphael's son, never having even heard of a Hindu before, will ask him what that is. The Hindu will explain, and, Raphael's child will stand there, pale in the face, waiting desperately for a "I'm just kidding" from the man. When he gets none, Raph's kid will either run away in terror, attempt an exorcism, kill himself from the confusion, attempt to kill the man, or many other things. Keeping people ignorant isn't a good way to do anything. [i]If your going to talk about parenting, please have some experience (your only what, 15?).[/i] *you're *you're Two things... 1) I'm talking about psychology in general. 2) I was that little more recently, I think I'd be one of the best sources of information on that topic. [i]If you're talking to me, then you're wrong. I have no kids. Please reread my original post carefully. Sorry, it's somewhat ambiguous. LOL...I'm only 19.[/i] Yeah, sorry, misinterpretation on my part. [i]I live in America because I was born here. Ideally, I would live in the Vatican or Athanasia.[/i] Ew... [i]True freedom is found in Catholicism.[/i] "Free thinking needs to be abolished in both public and private life." -- Some PM veteran. Also a Catholic. [i]I would raise my children as devout Catholics, but there is not upper limit on how devout one can be without being described as "insane."[/i] Home schooling for any reason other than (assuming that circumstances remain as they are) better education is insane. The way you seem to plan on raising your kids is insane. [b]You're[/b] insane. [i]If someday my child wanted to be Wiccan, I would pray to God that He would do something and I would do all I could to bring him or her before God.[/i] Pretty words for all of the verbal, mental, and no doubt physical abuse you'd put him through to do so. [i]As for giving her the freedom to become a Wiccan, freedom is God-given, not state-given. The state can work to ensure that certain God-given freedoms reach its people, but it cannot give freedoms. No one has the right to reject God, but only the ability. On the other hand, everyone has the right not to be forced to believe in something. These are not contradictory.[/i] From your pathetic viewpoint they aren't. From any logical thinker's, they're about as contradictory as the following: The statement below is false. The statement above is true. [i]The world in which I would raise my children is not a bubble. They would know of the evil in the world because they would have to live with it. I wouldn't keep them locked in my house, afterall. However, I wouldn't let them be fed the poisonous lies and filth from the public education system, secular television, etc. Why would you give your child poison? [/i] You feel that those are poisons to a nonexistent soul. However, you're poisoning their mind's with your nonsense. Just like Hitler (tactics, not beliefs) and other such people, you're using a bit of psychology -- hit them with everything you've got while they're young because that's when their minds are most malleable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 My third grader knows about Hindus... She also would wonder why a Hindu MAN would have a "dot" on his head... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 [quote name='homeschoolmom' date='Sep 12 2004, 04:08 PM'] My third grader knows about Hindus... She also would wonder why a Hindu MAN would have a "dot" on his head... [/quote] *gets a sly smile on his face* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Zewe Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 *Notes lack of sensible responses and sees naught but a poor retaliation to his random metaphor, not at all adressing the point of said metaphor* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelFilo Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 [quote]As for giving her the freedom to become a Wiccan, freedom is God-given, not state-given. The state can work to ensure that certain God-given freedoms reach its people, but it cannot give freedoms. No one has the right to reject God, but only the ability. On the other hand, everyone has the right not to be forced to believe in something. These are not contradictory. From your pathetic viewpoint they aren't. From any logical thinker's, they're about as contradictory as the following: The statement below is false. The statement above is true.[/quote] ... really, please show us where what he said didn't make sense... Thank you and God bless you, Chris, Mikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luthien Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 [quote]Homeschooled kids get beat up. There. [/quote] Im homeschooled, and also a blackbelt in martial arts. I doubt I'd get beat up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Zewe Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 [i]... really, please show us where what he said didn't make sense... [/i] He says that no one has the right to reject God, but they have a right to believe what they want. I'm curious as to how that isn't contradictory. Any non-God based religion would be legit and illegit according to that. As would atheism. ...And I'm not good enough for a Pax Christi, or what? [i]Im homeschooled, and also a blackbelt in martial arts. I doubt I'd get beat up.[/i] First off, I could care less if you are (and I doubt you are anyway -_-). Second, knowing techniques is hardly protection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 What kind of uncivilized, bullying children are you going to raise that go around beating up children who are homeschooled? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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