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[MorphRC]

[b]US State Terrorism [/b].

[b]Congo:[/b]

In June 1960, Patrice Lumumba became the Congo’s first prime minister after independence from Belgium. But Belgium retained its vast mineral wealth in Katanga province, prominent Eisenhower administration officials had financial ties to the same wealth, and Lumumba, at Independence Day ceremonies before a host of foreign dignitaries, called for the nation’s economic as well as its political liberation, and recounted a list of injustices against the natives by the white owners of the country. The man was obviously a “Communist.” The poor man was obviously doomed.

Eleven days later, Katanga province seceded, in September, Lumumba was dismissed by the president at the instigation of the United States, and in January 1961 he was assassinated at the express request of [President] Dwight Eisenhower. There followed several years of civil conflict and chaos and the rise to power of Mobutu Sese Seko, a man not a stranger to the CIA. Mobutu went on to rule the country for more than 30 years, with a level of corruption and cruelty that shocked even his CIA handlers. The Zairian people lived in abject poverty despite the plentiful natural wealth, while Mobutu became a multibillionaire.

[b]1[/b] [i]Killing Hope: U.S. Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II[/i], William Blum, [i]Common Courage Press[/i], 1995, 2001; ISBN 1-56751-052-3.

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[b]Guatemalan:[/b]

[i]1953 – Present
American-backed Genocide of the Guatemalan People[/i]

A CIA-organized coup overthrew the democratically-elected and progressive government of Jacobo Arbenz, initiating 40 years of military-government death squads, torture, disappearances, mass executions and unimaginable cruelty, totaling more than 200,000 victims — indisputably one of the most inhumane chapters of the 20th century.

The justification for the coup that has been put forth over the years is that Guatemala had been on the verge of the proverbial Soviet takeover. In actuality, the Russians had so little interest in the country that it didn’t even maintain diplomatic relations. The real problem was that Arbenz had taken over some of the uncultivated land of the US firm, United Fruit Company [Chiquita bananas], which had extremely close ties to the American power elite.

Moreover, in the eyes of Washington, there was the danger of Guatemala’s social-democracy model spreading to other countries in Latin America.

Despite a 1996 “peace” accord between the government and rebels, respect for human rights remains as only a concept in Guatemala; death squads continue to operate with a significant measure of impunity against union activists and other dissidents; torture still rears its ugly head; the lower classes are as wretched as ever; the military endures as a formidable institution; the US continues to arm and train the Guatemalan military and carry out exercises with it; and key provisions of the peace accord concerning military reform have not been carried out.

[b]2[/b] [i]From Rogue State: A Guide to the World’s Only Superpower[/i], William Blum, [i]Common Courage Press[/i], 1995, 2001; ISBN 1-56751-052-3.

[b]Also see:[/b] [i]Making Guatemala a Killing Field From What Uncle Sam Really Wants[/i], Noam Chomsky.

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[b]El Salvador:[/b]

Massive amounts of arms, training and funding were poured into El Salvador to prop up the puppet government against a popular uprising. Featured the covert use of U.S. air power and ground forces, as well as the training, at the “School of the Americas” [in Ft. Benning, Georgia], of the leaders of the right-wing death squads which executed thousands of Salvadorans.

Some of the highlights of the death squad activities included the assassination of Archbishop Oscar Romero, the execution of six Jesuit priests along with their housekeeper and her daughter, the rape and execution of four American church women, and the mass execution of some 800 civilians at the village of El Mozote.

[b]3[/b] [i]Derailing Democracy: The America the Media Don’t Want You to See[/i], Dave McGowan, [i]Common Courage Press[/i].

Also Verified by CIA Operatives on "War on Terror", DVD 2 Set Special Edition, "[i]In the name of the State, DVD II[/i]". Screened on ABC TV AUS. [i]Thursday 9th, 2004, ABC TV. 11:30pm[/i].

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[b]Laos:[/b]

The Laotian left, led by the Pathet Lao, tried to effect social change peacefully, making significant electoral gains and taking part in coalition governments. But the United States would have none of that.

The CIA and the State Department, through force, bribery and other pressures, engineered coups in 1958, 1959 and 1960. Eventually, the only option left for the Pathet Lao was armed force.

The CIA created its famous “Arme Clandestine” — totaling 30,000, from every corner of Asia — to do battle, while the US Air Force, between 1965 and 1973, rained down more than two million tons of bombs upon the people of Laos, many of whom were forced to live in caves for years in a desperate attempt to escape the monsters falling from the sky.

After hundreds of thousands had been killed, many more maimed, and countless bombed villages with hardly stone standing upon stone, the Pathet Lao took control of the country, following on the heels of events in Vietnam.

[b]4[/b] [b]2[/b] [i]From Rogue State: A Guide to the World’s Only Superpower[/i], William Blum, [i]Common Courage Press[/i], 1995, 2001; ISBN 1-56751-052-3.

[MorphRC]

[quote name='Paladin D' date='Sep 13 2004, 04:07 PM'] If we wouldn't around as your allies, you guys probally would've had your @$$ handed to you right about now. [/quote]
What? Clear that up. Then I can answer bro.

[Paladin D]

[quote name='MorphRC' date='Sep 13 2004, 01:51 AM'] What? Clear that up. Then I can answer bro. [/quote]
Blah, 2:00am EST -5 GMT here.

What I was trying to say is: because the United States is allies with Australia and if the 230 million Muslims were to "invade" your country, we would step in to help. So I doubt they would try anything soon, unless they are that zealous.

Maybe it would (if we do not already) be a good idea to establish a few bases in Australia.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='MorphRC' date='Sep 12 2004, 10:34 PM'] Really. Like how Australia is surrounded by over 240Million Muslims, and wouldnt last a month against a full attack? Wheres our protection?? [/quote]
Perhaps the United States should have allowed the Japanese to take over Australia in the 1940s.

The Australians, much like the Europeans, fail to see that the world is at the beginning of a conflagration, a conflagration that will determine the future political and religious life of millions of people. Do people wish to be ruled by an Islamic regime that enforces sharia law, or do the peoples of the world want freedom from Islamic tyranny. I can tell you right now that the American people don't want to rule Iraq in perpetuity, nor do they desire to control Europe or Australia, because Americans have traditionally been isolationist, and that sentiment remains as a powerful force within American culture; but the Muslim world does want to bring about the expansion of Islam, and in fact Islamic theology has always divided the world into two groups, the Dar al-Islam, and the Dar al-Harb, the former is the peaceful abode of all those who submit to Allah and his prophet Mohammad, while the latter is the abode of war, i.e., the abode of unremitting war for the conversion or annihilation of all who oppose the religion of Mohammad. Fearing the United States is rather foolish, but fearing and guarding against a religion that desires to destroy Christianity is quite prudent.

[MorphRC]

[quote name='Paladin D' date='Sep 13 2004, 04:35 PM'] Blah, 2:00am EST -5 GMT here.

What I was trying to say is: because the United States is allies with Australia and if the 230 million Muslims were to "invade" your country, we would step in to help. So I doubt they would try anything soon, unless they are that zealous.

Maybe it would (if we do not already) be a good idea to establish a few bases in Australia. [/quote]
Perhaps. We shall see.

[Paladin D]

One reason I should stay away from international politics... I don't have the time nor do I know where to find any reliable and non-overtly biased history and news sources on international issues. So much has happened, and so much is happening.

Unless my hobby was to try and discriminate against a specific country... then I wouldn't have a problem.

[MorphRC]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='Sep 13 2004, 04:35 PM'] Perhaps the United States should have allowed the Japanese to take over Australia in the 1940s. 

The Australians, much like the Europeans, fail to see that the world is at the beginning of a conflagration, a conflagration that will determine the future political and religious life of millions of people.  Do people wish to be ruled by an Islamic regime that enforces sharia law, or do the peoples of the world want freedom from Islamic tyranny.  I can tell you right now that the American people don't want to rule Iraq in perpetuity, nor do they desire to control Europe or Australia, because Americans have traditionally been isolationist, and that sentiment remains the powerful force within American culture, but the Muslim world does want to bring about the expansion of Islam, and in fact Islamic theology has always divided the world into two groups, the Dar al-Islam, and the Dar al-Harb, the former is the peaceful abode of all those who submit to Allah and his prophet Mohammad, while the latter is the abode of war, i.e., the abode of unremitting war for the conversion or annihilation of all who oppose the religion of Mohammad.  Fearing the United States is rather foolish, but fearing and guarding against a religion that desires to destroy Christianity is quite prudent. [/quote]

See then, America had some form or morality. Unlike today's America. So dont try and use that, to be honest, I find it offensive against my nation, as if "we owe" you something, remind me who was fighting on the ground on the Kakoda trail? And Burneo [spelling i know] Not to mention all over Europe, and in Africa. For a nation of only around 11-12 Million, we did beaver dam good to save our butts, unlike America which had over 12 Times that population. So dont pull that line.

As for the rest, I realized that years ago.

Edited September 13, 2004 by MorphRC

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='MorphRC' date='Sep 12 2004, 11:14 PM'] See then, America had some form or morality. Unlike today's America. So dont try and use that, to be honest, I find it offensive against my nation, as if "we owe" you something, remind me who was fighting on the ground on the Kakoda trail? And Burneo [spelling i know] Not to mention all over Europe, and in Africa. For a nation of only around 11-12 Million, we did beaver dam good to save our butts, unlike America which had over 12 Times that population. So dont pull that line.

As for the rest, I realized that years ago. [/quote]
For someone who's posted things on Islam before, you appear quite ignorant of basic doctrines of that religion. I can tell you right now, no American wants to rule Australia, but I assure you, Osama bin Laden and other Muslim fundamentalists don't look on Australia or Europe with an indifferent attitude, because in their view, Australia and the Europeans are evil hedonistic crusaders who need to be subjected to Islamic rule. You are correct in pointing out that there are more than 200 million Muslims near Australia, and I can tell you right now, if the Western world does not wake up to reality, Europe and Australia will be Muslim regions in 75 years. In fact demographic trends in Europe indicate that already.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='MorphRC' date='Sep 12 2004, 11:14 PM'] See then, America had some form or morality. Unlike today's America. So dont try and use that, to be honest, I find it offensive against my nation, as if "we owe" you something, remind me who was fighting on the ground on the Kakoda trail? And Burneo [spelling i know] Not to mention all over Europe, and in Africa. For a nation of only around 11-12 Million, we did beaver dam good to save our butts, unlike America which had over 12 Times that population. So dont pull that line.

As for the rest, I realized that years ago. [/quote]
If Japan had wanted to invade Australia after Pearl Harbor, they could have, because at that point the United States couldn't have helped Australia. It was lucky for the Australians that the Japanese desired Indochina and the Dutch East Indies, and not Sydney, et al.

As far as 'owing' the United States something, Americans could careless about Australia. You can rule yourselves, your economy and culture aren't something that average Americans give much thought to. But the point is this, militant Islam is on the rise for the first time in 500 years,and so you have nothing to fear from America, but you a lot to fear from militant Muslims.

[MorphRC]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='Sep 13 2004, 04:51 PM'] For someone who's posted things on Islam before, you appear quite ignorant of basic doctrines of that religion. I can tell you right now, no American wants to rule Australia, but I assure you, Osama bin Laden and other Muslim fundamentalists don't look on Australia or Europe with an indifferent attitude, because their view, Australia and the Europeans are evil hedonistic crusaders who need to be subjected to Islamic rule. You are correct in pointing out that there are more than 200 million Muslims near Australia, and I can tell you right now, if the Western world does not wake up to reality, Europe and Australia will be Muslim regions in 75 years. In fact demographic trends in Europe indicate that already. [/quote]
What cause I dont name every doctrine in list-form?

Other section: Ditto. France I believe has gone from a 2% Muslim Population to a 17% in 10 years.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='MorphRC' date='Sep 12 2004, 11:29 PM'] Other section: Ditto. France I believe has gone from a 2% Muslim Population to a 17% in 10 years. [/quote]
My point exactly, and Germany has also seen a massive growth in its Muslim population. The Europeans have a negative birth rate, and they have allowed Muslim immigration into Europe, and unlike the Europeans, the Muslims have lots of children.

[MorphRC]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='Sep 13 2004, 04:57 PM'] If Japan had wanted to invade Australia after Pearl Harbor, they could have, because at that point the United States couldn't have helped Australia. It was lucky for the Australians that the Japanese desired Indochina and the Dutch East Indies, and not Sydney, et al.

As far as 'owing' the United States something, Americans could careless about Australia. You can rule yourselves, your economy and culture aren't something that average Americans give much thought to. But the point is this, militant Islam is on the rise for the first time in 500 years,and so you have nothing to fear from America, but you a lot to fear from militant Muslims. [/quote]
Perhaps. Or it could be a good thing. Die a martyr, go straight to heaven. The way im going, id be grippling from the purgatory cliff. -_-

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Bashing is never cool

[MorphRC]

[Mrs. Bro. Adam]

You just can't let go, can you, Morph?