vianney Posted September 24, 2003 Share Posted September 24, 2003 Also, I'm not sure what you mean by those letters being BAD examples. I'm sure the liturgical abusses that go on are far more common than you are willing to admit. By BAD i meant that the examples you gave were good but they were bad lifteen masses. I am saying that those masses should be repramanded. But the generalization that all lifeteen masses are like that is wrong. I have been to quite a few lifeteen masses and not one has had any liturgical abuses in it. I just want to make the point that done correctly they are a good and beutiful thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vianney Posted September 24, 2003 Share Posted September 24, 2003 bump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP2Iloveyou Posted September 24, 2003 Share Posted September 24, 2003 Vianney, I agree totally. I consider myself rather traditional, but I LOVE praise and worship music at Mass. I also think that it is important for young people to be included in the target audience of a homily so to speak. I realize that even at a Mass with aweful music, bad preaching, and a priest that could care less if he is there or not is still the representation of Calvary and has infinite value. I also realize that the point of Mass is "what we put in" not "what we get out." However, yougn people are at an age in their lives where they are ready to make some very important choices. Do I drink or do I not drink? Do I have sex with everyone I meet or don't I? Do I want to follow Christ or don't I? In short, what I'm saying is that a Mass that relates to them can be wonderful if done correctly. It may even lead to their salvation as opposed to their damnation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted September 24, 2003 Share Posted September 24, 2003 Why does it take a lifeteen mass for a teenager to feel closer to Christ or for that matter a good Catholic? Something is inDouche wrong if it takes all that flamboyance to get the so called desired results. Because teenagers, like the rest of us, appreciate the physical, along with the spiritual. Why have youth groups? Why do I try to make phatmass look cool? It shouldn't take these things, you're right--but the reality is that it does. Why have amesome cathedrals? Why have beautiful stained glass windows? Because they help us feel closer to God. As Catholics, we understand that the spiritual and physical are inseperatable. They combine to make us whole. That's what makes us, as Catholics, unique from Protestantism. I respect your view, and agree with it on a theoretical standpoint, but based on reality, I feel that it's narrow minded. God bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mp15 Posted September 24, 2003 Share Posted September 24, 2003 Because teenagers, like the rest of us, appreciate the physical, along with the spiritual. Why have youth groups? Why do I try to make phatmass look cool? It shouldn't take these things, you're right--but the reality is that it does. Why have amesome cathedrals? Why have beautiful stained glass windows? Because they help us feel closer to God. As Catholics, we understand that the spiritual and physical are inseperatable. They combine to make us whole. That's what makes us, as Catholics, unique from Protestantism. I respect your view, and agree with it on a theoretical standpoint, but based on reality, I feel that it's narrow minded. God bless. Yep, it is narrow minded. It's what makes me function :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted September 24, 2003 Share Posted September 24, 2003 You never answered my question. Why does it take a lifeteen mass for a teenager to feel closer to Christ or for that matter a good Catholic? Something is inDouche wrong if it takes all that flamboyance to get the so called desired results. Why would Jesus become Bread so we can eat something? A feeling of fullness when reading Scripture avoids all the messy and hard to explain physical famboyance. The answer is simple: Because we are embodied spirits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nippy316 Posted September 24, 2003 Share Posted September 24, 2003 Watching people dance about, singing sappy songs with bad guitar accompiament? Thats annoying. Well, then it's a good thing that all Churches who offer Lifeteen also have a regular mass. Not that's it's regular--no mass is anything short of remarkable. But if you don't like it, I'm sure there are many other mass. LifeTEEN...geared towards teens and young adults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanmeyersmusic Posted September 25, 2003 Share Posted September 25, 2003 i have somewhat of a distaste for ewtn... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanmeyersmusic Posted September 25, 2003 Share Posted September 25, 2003 AND... While I'm not one for openly defying the Church, I do believe that there should be better reasons for getting upset than "The Church said not to" While I respect the fact that the Church has the authority to "say not to" my experience is that it ALWAYS does so for concrete reasons. There is in fact a reason for every Church teaching. Possibly if people would approach the teenagers, or the pastor who is allowing liturgical abuse, or whoever, and say "you know __insertproblem__ causes __insertreason__, and that's why the Church teaches __insertchurchteaching__" Then it might be taken seriously. The problem is that most people don't even care why. It's easier for them just to be followers of the law. Newsflash: That's not what Jesus taught or desired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanmeyersmusic Posted September 25, 2003 Share Posted September 25, 2003 AND it's very difficult to take any text seriously when it's nested against a picture of Beavis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TempleofVesarius Posted September 25, 2003 Share Posted September 25, 2003 AND it's very difficult to take any text seriously when it's nested against a picture of Beavis. I thought the same thing sorry mp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 25, 2003 Share Posted September 25, 2003 Oh, I dunno about that. I say it shows we're real people, and not in a bad way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TempleofVesarius Posted September 25, 2003 Share Posted September 25, 2003 hey man dont tell me appearances dont matter... i got turned down for a job because i have long hair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 25, 2003 Share Posted September 25, 2003 hey man dont tell me appearances dont matter... i got turned down for a job because i have long hair I'm not so sure that's the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Michael Posted September 25, 2003 Share Posted September 25, 2003 (edited) It's a shame that people still have to judge by appearance. If I was managing a place somewhere, I wouldn't care about employees with long hair or anything like that (unless it was a restaurant - health code thing, ya know). I would ask these people if they would turn away Jesus because he had long hair. As for LifeTeen Masses... as long as they stay faithful to the GIRM and the rubrics and all that, they can be a wonderful way to enrich our youth with the faith. Edited September 25, 2003 by Thomas Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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