MorphRC Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 [url="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/01/18/wcrus18.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/01/18/ixworld.html"]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...18/ixworld.html[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Knight Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 [b][url="http://movies.go.com/movies/K/kingdomofheaven_2005/index.html"]KINGDOM OF HEAVEN (May 6th,2005)[/url][/b] Its called Kingdom of Heaven if anyone wants to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted September 7, 2004 Author Share Posted September 7, 2004 ty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonSlayer Posted September 8, 2004 Share Posted September 8, 2004 That is insane. More sources from which people can be anti-Catholic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted September 9, 2004 Author Share Posted September 9, 2004 Yep. And scholars, even Protestants have been trying to clear up the typical anti-catholic, anti-crusade look "imperialistic pope and his band of goons", this is just gonna send it back now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonSlayer Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 Well, I saw a book in the catalogue of the local Protestant store and it had a book which described a time when the Christians were like the Muslim terrorists of today against the Muslims, as in attempting to kill non-christians, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted September 9, 2004 Author Share Posted September 9, 2004 [quote name='DemonSlayer' date='Sep 9 2004, 04:28 PM'] Well, I saw a book in the catalogue of the local Protestant store and it had a book which described a time when the Christians were like the Muslim terrorists of today against the Muslims, as in attempting to kill non-christians, etc. [/quote] There's plenty of those books around. Its called "Revisionist History." Turn history to support yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonSlayer Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 They think it was a reverse of what is happening today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted September 9, 2004 Author Share Posted September 9, 2004 Whenever i hear people equating the Crusades with the end of the world, I get so annoyed. If it wasnt for the Crusades, Europe would havent done anything to stop the offensive islamic push. Even after the Crusades it took 300 more years to finally rid the majority of europe of Muhammadeans. And even now they are still causing trouble in Old Yugoslavia and Chechnya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 (edited) I'm probably asking for a death threat here, but Islam (at least in its traditional form) was never a "religion of peace"! Islam was founded and grew by the sword. Mohammed was a miltary genius who used military conquest to build a great empire. The Islamic religion was spread by military conquest. Islam was always about violence (convert or die!) By the 700s they had conquered much of the Middle East and (formerly Christian) North Africa and most of Spain and they had advanced as far as France, and perhaps would have conquered all Christian Europe, had Charles the Hammer not defeated them and caused them to withdraw. The history of medieval Spain is a gradual Christian reconquest from the Muslim invaders that took almost a thousand years. The crusades were fought as a Christian defensive war to reclaim the Christian Holy Land from the Muslim Turks who had invaded it (by violent force)! Yeah, the Crusades were brutal, but the Muslims with their policy of violent conquest started it! All this revisionist stuff about the violent imperialistic Christians waging war on the peaceful, innocent enlightened Muslims is a load of horse dung! Muslims see it as their duty to wage war on infidels and use violent conquest to bring them under Islamic rule. Christians who survive the conquest and did not convert were forced to live as slaves. Islam was never about tolerance! This garbage reminds me of Bill Clinton after 9-11 blaming it on the crusades. If this movie is what they say it is, shame on Ridley Scott for making it! We should not lie about history to "appease" our enemies! This political correctness in hollywood is absurd. We are at war with Islamic terrorism, therefore no movies can be made showing Islamic terrorsists as bad guys (like they changed the villians in that Tom Clancy story from Arab terrorists to politically correct neo-Nazi villians (pc as villians that is)) Contrast this with WWII days!! To this day, a brutal Muslim slave trade with Christian slaves prospers in African countries. Today's terrorist acts are not an abberation, but a continuing of Islam's age-old Fatwa with modern means. And yet the pc "multi-cultural" elites in America and Europe today pretend Muslims can do wrong (unless of course forced into it by Evil Christians!) We need truth, not pc lies by self-loathing westerners! Edited September 10, 2004 by Socrates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Knight Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 [quote name='MorphRC' date='Sep 9 2004, 02:11 AM'] Whenever i hear people equating the Crusades with the end of the world, I get so annoyed. If it wasnt for the Crusades, Europe would havent done anything to stop the offensive islamic push. Even after the Crusades it took 300 more years to finally rid the majority of europe of Muhammadeans. And even now they are still causing trouble in Old Yugoslavia and Chechnya. [/quote] Strong Point Morph and thats suprisely, suprisely that I'm acutually agreeing with you lol on an issue lol. oh well. This movie if done properly will be cool, but if done poorly, it will smell of elderberries, thats an obvious lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted September 10, 2004 Author Share Posted September 10, 2004 [quote name='Socrates' date='Sep 10 2004, 10:51 AM'] I'm probably asking for a death threat here, but Islam (at least in its traditional form) was never a "religion of peace"! Islam was founded and grew by the sword. Mohammed was a miltary genius who used military conquest to build a great empire. The Islamic religion was spread by military conquest. Islam was always about violence (convert or die!) By the 700s they had conquered much of the Middle East and (formerly Christian) North Africa and most of Spain and they had advanced as far as France, and perhaps would have conquered all Christian Europe, had Charles the Hammer not defeated them and caused them to withdraw. The history of medieval Spain is a gradual Christian reconquest from the Muslim invaders that took almost a thousand years. The crusades were fought as a Christian defensive war to reclaim the Christian Holy Land from the Muslim Turks who had invaded it (by violent force)! Yeah, the Crusades were brutal, but the Muslims with their policy of violent conquest started it! All this revisionist stuff about the violent imperialistic Christians waging war on the peaceful, innocent enlightened Muslims is a load of horse dung! Muslims see it as their duty to wage war on infidels and use violent conquest to bring them under Islamic rule. Christians who survive the conquest and did not convert were forced to live as slaves. Islam was never about tolerance! This garbage reminds me of Bill Clinton after 9-11 blaming it on the crusades. If this movie is what they say it is, shame on Ridley Scott for making it! We should not lie about history to "appease" our enemies! This political correctness in hollywood is absurd. We are at war with Islamic terrorism, therefore no movies can be made showing Islamic terrorsists as bad guys (like they changed the villians in that Tom Clancy story from Arab terrorists to politically correct neo-Nazi villians (pc as villians that is)) Contrast this with WWII days!! To this day, a brutal Muslim slave trade with Christian slaves prospers in African countries. Today's terrorist acts are not an abberation, but a continuing of Islam's age-old Fatwa with modern means. And yet the pc "multi-cultural" elites in America and Europe today pretend Muslims can do wrong (unless of course forced into it by Evil Christians!) We need truth, not pc lies by self-loathing westerners! [/quote] [b]Ditto![/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted September 10, 2004 Author Share Posted September 10, 2004 [quote name='White Knight' date='Sep 10 2004, 12:43 PM'] Strong Point Morph and thats suprisely, suprisely that I'm acutually agreeing with you lol on an issue lol. oh well. This movie if done properly will be cool, but if done poorly, it will smell of elderberries, thats an obvious lol. [/quote] Well its like a $250M movie, so its gonna visually awesome, but the storyline is gonna smell of elderberries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurkeFan Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 Hopefully, I think a prof at my school who is probably, quite seriously, the world's leading expert on the Crusades, will be setting up a website to counteract this film. Don't know if he's going to go through with it though... hopefully he will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted September 10, 2004 Author Share Posted September 10, 2004 going to be* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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