Trooper4DaHolyG Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 For all Catholic Regular Members please explain to me what you mean by referring to the Catholic Church all the time, saying things like if you followed Jesus you would follow the Catholic Church. They way I am understanding this is that I don't follow Jesus according do your misconceptions and that I rejected him when I was younger by refusing to go to Mass. Ok so now please peoples give me your definition of the Catholic Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 For all Catholic Regular Members please explain to me what you mean by referring to the Catholic Church all the time, saying things like if you followed Jesus you would follow the Catholic Church. They way I am understanding this is that I don't follow Jesus according do your misconceptions and that I rejected him when I was younger by refusing to go to Mass. Ok so now please peoples give me your definition of the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is the Church that Jesus Christ founded. He appointed the apostle Peter as its first pope, and since then there has been an unbroken line of popes up until the present day. The apostles were the Church's first bishops, and every bishop that has been ordained since then is their succesor. What the Church teaches now, it taught back then too -- omitting NOTHING. The Catholic Church can NEVER stray from the fullness of truth because that's how God willed it to be. The so-called reformers, by contrast, broke with the Catholic Church and started their own churches, which held novel beliefs that weren't believed by anyone in the early Church. I mean really, would Jesus have kept His followers in the dark about such teachings for centuries and centuries if they were true? The result is that, in the words of Martin Luther, there came to be "as many doctrines as there were heads." That has continued to the present day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 The Catholic Church is the One Church has four marks that identify itself as the Pillar of Truth. The Church Is One (Rom. 12:5, 1 Cor. 10:17, 12:13, CCC 813–822) The Church Is Holy (Eph. 5:25–27, Rev. 19:7–8, CCC 823–829 The Church Is Catholic (Matt. 28:19–20, Rev. 5:9–10, CCC 830–856) The Church Is Apostolic (Eph. 2:19–20, CCC 857–865) For 2,000 years the Catholic Church has been the Pillar of Fire and Truth. Catholic means "Universal", reaching all the ends of the earth and people everywhere. Not only that but we all believe in One CReed. All our beliefs are from the very same teachings of the Apostles. With Sacred Tradition and Holy Scripture, we have what we have today. St. Peter, Mt. 16:18 was granted the keys and was made the Rock upon which the Church will be built. It is through the Catholic Church that the full graces that God bestows on us are present. the eucharist (where we can partake in the Body and Blood of Christ through the celebration of the holy mass) , the sacrament of confession (where we are able to be forgiven for our sins) , and all the sacraments. It is the only church that has never failed and goes back to Jesus' time. It is of Unity and of the Holy Spirit guiding it that what you see today is the Catholic Church. God bLess! your sister in christ, littleflower +JMJ ps. check out this for more... http://www.catholic.com/library/Pillar.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 For all Catholic Regular Members please explain to me what you mean by referring to the Catholic Church all the time, saying things like if you followed Jesus you would follow the Catholic Church. They way I am understanding this is that I don't follow Jesus according do your misconceptions and that I rejected him when I was younger by refusing to go to Mass. Ok so now please peoples give me your definition of the Catholic Church. The teachers established by Christ at Pentacost... the direct lineage of disciples that can be traced directly to Christ. Anyone who thinks that they are serving God the way God wants them to, is Catholic by desire and follows the Church founded by Christ unknowingly. The Scriptures warn us that people will come and draw true believers away from the Church established by Christ (Acts 20:30, 2 Peter 3:15-17). Truth cannot contradict truth... Jesus said that His Church would never be overcome (St. Matt 16:18)... the only Church that has been around and teaching the same faith and morals since the time of Christ is the Catholic Church. All other Christian churches are offshots of the Catholic Church. All other non-Catholic Christians that think they are serving God correctly are considered Catholic by desire. All other non-Catholic Christian churches have some of the truth, and some error.... but only one Church is free from error. The Catholic Church is the teacher and protector of the Gospels, never waivering in faith and morals, when the whole world is against the Church, the Church will not change nor be overcome... Christ promised us. God Bless, Love in Christ & Mary ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 Here's a bible break down of the Apostle's Creed which comes from the early Christians... The Catholic Church has taught this since the time of Christ... I believe in God, the Father almighty, creator of heaven and earth. (Gen. 1:1) I believe in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord. (Mt 16:16, Jn 1:14, 3:16; 18; 1Jn 4:9, Acts 10:36; Rom 10:12 ) He was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary. (Is 7:14; Mt 1:18-25; Lk 1:27; 34 , Is 9:6; Mt 1:23; Lk 1:32; 35; 43; 2:11; Gal 4:4, Is 7:14; Mic 5:2-3) He suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried. (Ps 22:69; Wis 2:10-20; Is 1:5-6; 53; Jer 11:19; Lam 1:12; Zech 1:12-13; (Cf ) Lk 24:46, Is 53:4-10; Mt 20:28; Lk 24:46; Jn 12:24; Rom 5; Eph 5:2; 1Pet 1:18; 2:24 1Jn 2:2; 1Thess 5:10 ) He descended to the dead. (1 Pet 3:19) On the third day He rose again. (Ps 16:10; (Cf ) Acts 13:35, Mt 17:23; 20:19; Mk 9:9; 14:28; Lk 9:22; 18:33; Jn 2:19; 10:18, Mt 28:9; Mk 16:9; Lk 24:13-35; Jn 20:26; 21:1; Acts 1:3; 1Cor 15:6 ) He ascended into heaven and sits at the right hand of God, the Father Almighty. (Mk 16:19; Lk 24:50; Jn 20:17; Acts 1:3-9; Eph 4:10; 1Tim 3:16; 1Pet 3:22) From thence He shall come to judge the living and the dead. (Jn 5:22; Acts 10:42; 17:31; 2Tim 4:1; 1Pet 4:5; Rev 20:12-13, Acts 10:42; Rom 2:16;2Tim 4:1; 1Pet 4:5 ) I believe in the Holy Spirit, (Jn 14:16; 26; 15:26; 16:7, Jn 15:26. 1Jn 5:7 , Jn 15:26; 16:7; 16:13, Mt 3:11-16. Lk 3:16. Jn 1:33. Acts 1:5; 2:38; 11:16 , Acts 1:8; 8:15; 10:44; 19:6, Jn 14:17. Acts 2:33. Rom 5:5. 1Cor 3:16; 6:19 Gal 3:14. Eph 1:13. 2Tim 1:14, Jn 14:26; 16:13; Acts 5:32; 9:31; 1Cor 2:10; Eph 3:5, Acts 4:8; 6:10; 7:55, Acts 3:21; 2Tim 3:16; Pet 1:21) the holy Catholic Church, (Tobit 13:11-18; Is 2:2-3; Bar 5:3; Hos 2:14-24; Mic 4:1-3, 1Tim 3:15 , Mt 16:18; 28:19; Mk 16:15; 1Cor 3:11; Eph 2:20; 1Pet 2:4-6 , Rom 12:4; 1Cor 12:12; Eph 1:22-23; 5:22; Col 1:18, Eph 1:22; 5:23; Col 1:18 , Mt 16:18; 28:20 , Mt 5:14; Mk 4:30-32; Eph 2:19-22 , Mt 16:18-19; 18:18; Jn 20:23 , 1Cor 1:2; Col 3:12 , Ps 118:22; Mt 21:42; Mk 12:10; Lk 20:17; Acts 4:11; Eph 2:20; 1Pet 2:4; 7 ,1Cor 3:10; Eph 2:20; Rev 21:14 Acts 1:15-26; 2 Tim 2:2; Tit 1:5 ) the communion of saints, (Tobit 12:12-13, Psalm 103:20-21, 141:2, 148:1-2, Isaiah 6:6-7, Baruch 3:4, Zech 1:12-13, 2 Macc. 15:12-16, 2 Chron. 32:33, Jn 15:5; Rom 12:4; 1Cor 6:12-20; 10:17; 12:4-27; Eph 2:19; 5:30; Col 1:18; 24; 2:19; 3:15, Jer 15:1; Acts 12:5; Rom 15:30; 2Cor 13:7; Eph 6:18; Col 4:3 1Thess 5:25; 2Thess 3:1; Heb 13:18; Jas 5:16 , Tobit 12:12; 2Mac 15:14; Rev 5:8; 8:4 , Heb 12:1, 1Thess 3:13; Heb 11:40; 12:23; 1Pet 3:19; Rev 6:9, Acts 5:15; 19:11-12 , Eph 1:4-6; 12; 14 ) the forgiveness of sins, (Mk 2:7; Lk 5:21, Mt 9:6; Mk 2:10; Lk 5:24; Col 3:13, Jn 20:22-23, 2Cor 2:10 , 5:18, Rom 5:11; Col 1:20; Heb 1:3 , 2 Cor 2:5-8 , Mt 18:18 ) the resurrection of the body, (Rom 6:5; 1Cor 15:49; 2Cor 4:14; Phil 3:21) and the life everlasting. (Rom 6:8; 10:10; 2Cor 4:13-14; Eph 1:19; Col 2:12; 1Thess 4:14; 2Tim 1:10; 1Pet 1:5 , Rom 6:5; 8; 8:17; 2Tim 2:11) Amen. God Bless, Love in Christ & Mary ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cure of Ars Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 (edited) It is the visable body of Christ on earth and Jesus is the head. (Ephesians 5:21-32) It is the earthly authority that Jesus says to take disputes too when somthing is dividing the body of Christ. (Matthew 18:15-18) Edited September 22, 2003 by Cure of Ars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 And like Christ Himself, His Church is reviled by others who would like to claim Him as their own. Pax Christi. <>< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 The Catholic Church is the body of followers (Christians) Jesus ordained to be His Body and His Bride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 23, 2003 Share Posted September 23, 2003 bump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooper4DaHolyG Posted September 23, 2003 Author Share Posted September 23, 2003 Thanks guys, good replys learning more and more about ur faith. -Troopa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted September 23, 2003 Share Posted September 23, 2003 Thanks guys, good replys learning more and more about ur faith. -Troopa :D :D :D +JMJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooper4DaHolyG Posted September 23, 2003 Author Share Posted September 23, 2003 Been doin stacks of research! Alot of the links are so bad Catholic Sex Scandals really sux for that too happen, but hey alot of positive stuff. I found out what Catholic means. I don't like the Roman Catholic Church because it has a lot of bad morals. but the word catholic 'universal' is preety sick. I always thought Catholic meant Mary or mother! hahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Huether Posted September 23, 2003 Share Posted September 23, 2003 Been doin stacks of research! Alot of the links are so bad Catholic Sex Scandals really sux for that too happen, but hey alot of positive stuff. I found out what Catholic means. I don't like the Roman Catholic Church because it has a lot of bad morals. but the word catholic 'universal' is preety sick. I always thought Catholic meant Mary or mother! hahaha Your true colors are begining to shine, Trooper. Hopefull, and I pray, you are learning MORE about "Catholic" than just the definition of the name. That was established before the dawn of the 2nd century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted September 23, 2003 Share Posted September 23, 2003 I don't like the Roman Catholic Church because it has a lot of bad morals. What bad morals are taught by the Catholic Church? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 23, 2003 Share Posted September 23, 2003 Been doin stacks of research! Alot of the links are so bad Catholic Sex Scandals really sux for that too happen, but hey alot of positive stuff. I found out what Catholic means. I don't like the Roman Catholic Church because it has a lot of bad morals. but the word catholic 'universal' is preety sick. I always thought Catholic meant Mary or mother! hahaha You haven't been doing research from the right sources, Trooper! Why can't you go to Catholic sources instead of non-Catholic sources that tend to be biased? How can the Church have bad morals? Sure, there are individual members whose morals leave a lot to be desired, but the Catholic Church is the church that condemns as sin things that aren't called sin anymore by many other churches, such as contraception, divorce and remarriage, homosexual behavior, premarital sex, and abortion. What's so sick about Catholic meaning universal? That's what the Church is -- you'll find it almost everywhere in the world, and Catholic missionaries are still being sent out to preach the truth to all nations! And I can't believe you thought Catholic meant Mary or Mother! If you meant that as a joke, it's uncalled-for. But if what you said was true, then that is VERY sloppy scholarship on your part! Without bothering to ask for information, you guessed, and you guessed wrongly. You know what they say assuming does, don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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