i feel like im taking crzy pills Posted September 4, 2004 Share Posted September 4, 2004 SoOo... on my country raido station (yes, I do listen to country music every once in a while... there's nothing wrong with that) they played "I Can Only Imagine" by a Christian group Mercy Me. I was totally stoked cuz I heard the song ONCE at church before... it was good times. So, my mom got me their CD... I sorta like it... Guys... tell me what you think if you've ever heard of Mercy Me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTHUS Posted September 4, 2004 Share Posted September 4, 2004 Why are you listening to music that is written by people whom your Church has condemned as damned heretics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musturde Posted September 4, 2004 Share Posted September 4, 2004 lol ichthus. We have nothing against listening to music by prots. It's praising God. We even sing some of Luther's hymns at Mass sometimes. We sing Protestant songs at Mass. When it comes to music it doesnt really matter what sect you're in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musturde Posted September 4, 2004 Share Posted September 4, 2004 btw We never said you were damned heretics. If I remember correctly you said we were damned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.R.D Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 MERCY ME woot woot ..... there kool band there the beezknees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTHUS Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 (edited) [quote name='musturde' date='Sep 4 2004, 01:17 PM'] btw We never said you were damned heretics. If I remember correctly you said we were damned. [/quote] Yeah, but the Council of Trent says that Mercy Me (and all Protestants) are damned. Thus, in order to be a faithful Catholic you should renounce all Protestant music and rip every hymn by a Protestant heretic out of your hymnals. Edited September 5, 2004 by ICTHUS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 just in case you forget sometimes....... just wanted to say we wub you Ryan! :wub: :hearts: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.R.D Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 WTF ever man ...... that's true but im not ganna stop listening to them .... they hve a positive meaning ..... its better than Metalica or A perfect Circle right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 [quote name='J.R.D' date='Sep 4 2004, 07:33 PM'] WTF ever man ...... that's true but im not ganna stop listening to them .... they hve a positive meaning ..... its better than Metalica or A perfect Circle right? [/quote] ryan posts and we still love him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.R.D Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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qfnol31 Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 Who writes the songs that we use today isn't really that important. If a Protestant can write a song that falls in line with the type of music that is proper to the Mass, then why not use it. The music of the Liturgy is an extension of the prayer that is the Mass. It is not a seperate prayer as such, but should be seen as a whole with the Mass. All throughout the Psalms, you see King David breaking out into song because his feelings were so great he could no longer contain them. This song came from a deep love felt in his soul, and is really the same reason that we sing today. It is a better expression of the feelings and love that we have for God, especially as expressed through the Mass. If our music does not express this, or does not arise for this reason, we need to rethink the music we're singing. The most important part of the music is the words. We can't just sing anything. This is why most Protestant songs are not suitable for the Mass today. In fact, that's why most modern Catholic songs are not suitable. We can't just say whatever we think is correct or what feels right. There must be an underlying Theology, that is, it must correspond with what the Church teaches. Most songs today aren't very much in line with what she teaches, or aren't very deep. Instrumental music really has no place just for the single, simple fact that it neglects the most important part of music, the words. Sure, it may be pretty and pleasing (to us and God), but it does not reflect the external prayer of the Church in the Mass. The words can't just be secular either. We shouldn't sing "America the Beautiful," for in there the song is just concerned with America. Where is the rest of the Church? Is America the only place that matters? Not really. We don't just say prayers for America during our Mass. Sure, we mention them, but there is never a time of prayer devoted just to the United States. (If you can correct me on this, I'd like to see it). The music cannot be just of the Earth as well. The Catholic Church is a universal Church. That does not mean that it is a Church of the whole world, that's only the Church Militant. A Universal Church encompasses all of the Earth, all of Purgatory, and all of Heaven. We are to pray with "all of the Angels and Saints" when we sing. The Sanctus and Gloria are the perfect examples of prayer including the whole of the Church. The music that we sing cannot just be a result of how we wish to pray. It is a result of the Holy Spirit. Much of the music today seems to forget this. The Psalms are among the greatest for the music that we can use, just because of their origins. There are many other great prayers that make fine songs because of their Divine origins. Music is not just of man, it is from the Spirit as well. Another important part of the music is that it can't just be however we want to sing it. That's too shallow. This part may get a little confusing. There is a certain harmony to the Universe. The way that the planets interact with each other, the way that light moves, the way that galaxies orbit, it is all a part of a harmony that really relects the Creator. As Plato says, there is a certain way in which the planets act. The Pythagoreans knew this too. They studied music. If you read Plato's [i]Republic[/i], you find out that there are different things to study that will eventually lead you to God (okay, I threw in some Christian philosophy to what he says, but you get the point). The music used in the liturgy today needs to reflect this idea. For that very reason, Gregorian chants and Latin polyphonic hymns are the greatest types of music available. Those are the types of music that are most in tune with the Universe. They reflect God more than any other type can. Gregorian chants hold a special place in the Mass because they alone are based solely on the principles mentioned above and are free from intrumental music, which is not necessary, nor is it normally proper, in the Mass. This is why rap music is not appropriate for the Mass. The idea that music can reflect the music of a certain culture, and that culture can decide the music that is proper, neglects a few of the aforementioned ideas. It is not a prayer located in a single place and isolated with the world. It is a prayer that is to be one with the rest of the Church. Now, I like these types of songs outside of the Mass, don't get me wrong. I think they can be really cool. I just think that inside of Mass it can be a little improper. Now to the idea that the music is written by heretics that are essentially damned. First of all, it is highly improbably that most Protestants realize all that they are rejecting. That would mean that they are ignorant, and therefore cannot necessarily be held accountable for their actions. By that logic they're neither damned nor a heretic for that reason alone. A heretic is someone that rejects what they know to be true. Chances are, most Protestant song writers have not. Anyways, that's a small detour from what I've written to address that real fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i feel like im taking crzy pills Posted September 5, 2004 Author Share Posted September 5, 2004 Dudes... I just wanted to know if anyone has heard of Mercy Me... gosh. Well, I didn't know that it would cause so much riot between everyone... chill out... no hard feelings... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rachael Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 [quote name='i_feel_like_im_taking_crzy_pills' date='Sep 4 2004, 02:36 PM'] SoOo... on my country raido station (yes, I do listen to country music every once in a while... there's nothing wrong with that) they played "I Can Only Imagine" by a Christian group Mercy Me. I was totally stoked cuz I heard the song ONCE at church before... it was good times. So, my mom got me their CD... I sorta like it... Guys... tell me what you think if you've ever heard of Mercy Me... [/quote] i love that song. it used to make me cry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 [quote name='i_feel_like_im_taking_crzy_pills' date='Sep 4 2004, 09:24 PM'] Dudes... I just wanted to know if anyone has heard of Mercy Me... gosh. Well, I didn't know that it would cause so much riot between everyone... chill out... no hard feelings... [/quote] Oops! Sorry, I missed the most important part of my post... I THINK MERCY ME IS GREAT!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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