What Bible Translation Is Good?

[carrdero]

MorphRC writes: JW's are not Christian. They deny the divinity of Christ. Along with that they have corrupted their Bibles, by deleting any verse or passage of Scripture that could possibly relate to some form of Divinity (NWT Translation). Among that, JW's believe that anyone outside its organization is Satanic, literally demons. They convert the children, and lay claim on them. Including breaking up families, reported incidents in America, Australia and England, have seen children, seeing their parents as satans and demons that cannot be trusted. The JW's tried converting my mum behind my back, then I found out, and they tried both converting us, they attacked me constantly, one male teenager only [17] at the time, converted to JWism and the mum was forced to also to convert, otherwise they threatened to 'protect' him from her.
Another time i went to an 'assembly', where a young 16yr old girl, disagreed with the 'elders', and she was announced by name, and family, and the family was removed from the Hall, and taken to a side room.
JW Doctrine are NOT Christian
JW Beliefs are NOT Christian
JW Conversion Tactics are NOT Christian
JW History is NOT Christian
JW's are as Christian as Hindus.

The pie doesn't lie
[url="http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html"]http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html[/url]

[carrdero]

Does anyone REMEMBER the translation of the Bible called THE WAY?

[MorphRC]

Wow. An online site says it, so its true.

The key part of Christianity, is worshipping Christ, do JW's do that?

[i]Jehovah's Witness Theology

Here are a few of their core beliefs. Jehovah is the one true God. [b]They deny the Trinity. Jesus was an exalted man that God used to create the earth, but Jesus himself is a created being-- not God.[/b] [b]Jesus has divine attributes, but is only god-like.[/b] When Jehovah raised Jesus from the dead, [b]Jesus was a spirit-being, not a physical being.[/b] The Holy Spirit is not a person, but a force. Only 144,000 people will go to heaven-- in general this includes only JW's alive in 1935. Other faithful JW's will have eternal life on paradise earth. All others disintegrate at death. There is no hell. [b]All "religions" besides JW are of the devil.[/b] [/i]

[url="http://www.gospelcom.net/faithfacts/jw.html"]http://www.gospelcom.net/faithfacts/jw.html[/url]

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[MorphRC]

[b]The Bibles of the Jehovah Witnesses, Then and Now:[/b]
A Look major changes in the text of the Bibles of the Jehovah Witnesses over the years.
[url="http://www.catholicapologetics.net/JW_bible_then_and_now.htm"]http://www.catholicapologetics.net/JW_bible_then_and_now.htm[/url]

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[b]The Credibility Crisis of the New World Translation: The forward of the1950 edition of the NWT declared itself to be a uninspired and imperfect translation.[/b]
[url="http://www.catholicapologetics.net/JW_NWT_Credibility_Crisis.htm"]http://www.catholicapologetics.net/JW_NWT_...lity_Crisis.htm[/url]

[b]The 1950 NWT acknowledges "Yahweh'" as the correct pronunciation of God's name: You read that correctly, the Watchtowers own 1950 edition of the New World Translation stated that "Yahweh'" was the correct pronunciation of God's name.[/b]
[url="http://www.catholicapologetics.net/JW_1950_NWT_and_Jehovah.htm"]http://www.catholicapologetics.net/JW_1950...and_Jehovah.htm[/url]

[b]The Problems "The New World Translation": The following is a list of problems that we have found with the New world Translation. In many instances the meaning of the Bible has been changed by apparently deliberate mistranslations, additions, or omissions.[/b]
[url="http://www.catholicapologetics.net/apolo_62.htm"]http://www.catholicapologetics.net/apolo_62.htm[/url]

[color=red][b]DOES THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESS "BIBLE" "New World Translation" DELETES WHOLE VERSES?: The Only Bible the Jehovah's Witnesses will trust! The Bible only Jehovah's Witnesses would trust![/b]
[url="http://www.catholicapologetics.net/apolo_64.htm"]http://www.catholicapologetics.net/apolo_64.htm[/url][/color]

[MorphRC]

Matthew 17:21 -- COMPLETELY removed. What are the Jehovah's Witness missing?
"Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting."


Matthew 18:11 -- COMPLETELY removed. What are the Jehovah's Witness missing?
"For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost."


Matthew 23:14 -- COMPLETELY removed. What arethe Jehovah's Witness missing?
"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation."


Mark 7:16 -- COMPLETELY removed. What are the Jehovah's Witness missing?
"If any man have ears to hear, let him hear."


Mark 9:44 -- COMPLETELY removed. What are the Jehovah's Witness missing?
"Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched."


Mark 9:46 -- COMPLETELY removed. What are the Jehovah's Witness missing?
"Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched."


Mark 11:26 -- COMPLETELY removed. What are the Jehovah's Witness missing?
"But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses."


Mark 15:28 -- COMPLETELY removed. What are the Jehovah's Witness missing?
"And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors."


Mark 16:9-20 (all 12 verses) -- They separated the last 12 verses of Mark from the main text in an appendix (of sorts) with this detracting statement: "Some late manuscripts and versions contain a short conclusion after Mark 16:8, as follows] (New World Translation, Revised 1984 edition)

Luke 1:28 - Vitally important phrase COMPLETELY removed. "blessed art thou among women"

Luke 17:36 -- COMPLETELY removed. What are the Jehovah's Witness missing?
"Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left."


Luke 23:17 -- COMPLETELY removed. What are the Jehovah's Witness missing?
"(For of necessity he must release one unto them at the feast.)"


John 5:4 -- COMPLETELY removed. What are the Jehovah's Witness missing?
"For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had."

[carrdero]

MorphRC writes: Wow. An online site says it, so its true.

Actually I have other evidence that Jehovah's Witnesses are Christian I just needed a good example to share with you on Phatmass.

MorphRC writes: The key part of Christianity, is worshipping Christ, do JW's do that?

Like a zealous apostle.

[MorphRC]

JW's dont worship Christ. I dont need to prove that, since they tried converting me. JW's aint Christian, no matter how much you try. They are infidels, disbelievers.

[Quietfire]

May I suggest "Where we got the Bible-our debt to the Catholic Church" by the Right Rev. Henry G. Graham.

Totally explosive.

It has the Nihil Obstat et Imprimatur

I believe it is in its 22nd or 23rd printing.

I would be more than thrilled to post an excerpts from it if anyone is interested.
It is dedicated to all lovers of the written word of God.
and I quote...
"I would not believe the Gospel unless moved thereto by the authority of the Church.-St. Augustine"

Peace.

P.S. JW believe that Jesus is either...
Michael the archangel
a spirit person
although they call him the son of God, they contradict that by stating he is one of the above.
They deny the Trinity. I had a JW tell me that if I believe in the Trinity, they will leave. She left.
They deny the divinity of Christ, yet call him the son of God. (confusing)
There are many other things.
One of their books stated that the Bible was WRONG in reference to a statement made by Christ in the same Bible. Thats a pretty bold (and personally-stupid) statement to make about the Holy Scriptures. Dont cha think?

Edited September 9, 2004 by Quietfire

[ironmonk]

[quote name='flip' date='Sep 2 2004, 09:41 PM'] ive heard so much talk about loving the vulgate...
























i have always been taught that the vulgate is just a bad translation... [/quote]
A better selection of answers would be:

Masoric vs. Septuagint.


The Septuagint (From about 293 BC) is the OT used by the Catholic Church.
It was used by Christ, The Apostles, and every Jew until 90 AD.

In 90 AD, the Jews (57 years after Christ took away their authority and gave it to the New Church) took books out of the Septuagint and translated the Septuagint to Hebrew to create the Masorah.


God Bless,
ironmonk

[flip]

is that true?

was the masoretic text translated from hebrew to greek then back to hebrew?

is that true???
that makes no sense to me... please enlighten me

[Quietfire]

The Bible as it stands today is composed of 73 books.
46 in the Old Testament and 27 in the New.
The Old Testament is divided into 3 parts. the Law,the Prophets, and the Writings.
The Law is the nucleus, the earliest substantial part, which at one time formed the sole Book of Scripture that the Jews possessed. A copy was place in the Ark, that was about 3300 years ago.
Long afterwards, the Prophets and Writings were added.
At what date precisely the volume or 'canon' of the OT was finally closed and recognised as completed for ever is not absolutely certain.

Some feel the OT was compiled around 430 BC under Esdras and Nehemiah, resting upon the authority of the famous Jew, Josephus, who lived immediately after Our Lord, and who declared that since the death of Ataxerxes, BC 424, 'no one had dared to add anything to the Jewish Scriptures, to take anything from them, or to make any change in them'.

Others contend it was done as late as 100 BC.
But one thing is for certain either way. That by this last date-that is, for 100 years before the birth of Our Blessed Lord-the OT existed precisely as we have it now.

The OT was written by Jewish authority in the Jewish language, namely, Hebrew, for Jews, God's chosen people. But after what is called the 'Dispersion' of the Jews, when that people was scattered abroad and settled in many other lands outside Palestine, and began to lose their Hebrew tongue and gradually became familiar with Greek, which was then a universal language, it was necessary to furnish them with a copy of their Sacred Scriptures in the Greek language. Hence arose that translation of the Hebrew OT into Greek known as the Septuagint.
In Latin this means 70.
Begun about 280 to 250 years before Christ, we may safely say that it was finished in the next century. It was the acknowleged Bible of all the 'Jews of the Dispersion' in Asia, as well as in Egypt, and was the Version used by Our Lord, His Apostles and Evangelists, and by Jews and Gentiles and Christians in the early days of Christianity. It is from this Version that Jesus Christ and the NT writers and speakers quote when referring to the OT.

Christians in other lands who could not understand Greek did have Scripture supplied with copies in their own tongues. Hence we have Armenian and Syriac, Coptic and Arabic and Ethiopic all for the benefits for Christians in these lands.

For Christians in Africa, where Latin was best understood, there was a translation of the Bible made into Latin about 150 AD, and later, another and better for the Christians in Italy; but all these were finally superseded by the grand and most important version made by St. Jerome in Latin called the 'Vulgate'-that is, the common, or current or accepted Version. This was in the forth century,

Hope this helps.
Peace.

Edited September 10, 2004 by Quietfire

[ironmonk]

[quote name='flip' date='Sep 9 2004, 09:44 PM'] is that true?

was the masoretic text translated from hebrew to greek then back to hebrew?

is that true???
that makes no sense to me... please enlighten me [/quote]
Yes, it's true.

The oldest known translation of the OT is the Septuagint (293 BC).

The Jews took the Septuagint, then translated it to Hebrew in 90 AD.

The Jews did not like the fact that the Christians used the exact same book as they did. So they took books out... and translated it to Hebrew from the Greek.

Check out Britannica.com, you should be able to get some info off of there.

Check out some of these audio files, one or two of them cover the topic nicely, but I don't remember which one... maybe the Sola Scriptura?

[url="http://www.maxbrackett.com/audio01.asp"]http://www.maxbrackett.com/audio01.asp[/url]


God Bless,
ironmonk