What Bible Translation Is Good?

[Br. Augustino]

Flip,
Part of the tough thing about a "good/better" translation is as Morph points out the variance of the ancient codicies. You have an ancient Hebrew text, but does that mean that it is more accurate? Maybe it just means that it is older, but was transcribed by a scribe who had a bad copy what then? well that is why as we read in The Second Vatican Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation [i]Dei Verbum[/i] especially paragraph 10 which reads:

10. Sacred tradition and Sacred Scripture form one sacred deposit of the word of God, committed to the Church. Holding fast to this deposit the entire holy people united with their shepherds remain always steadfast in the teaching of the Apostles, in the common life, in the breaking of the bread and in prayers (see Acts 2, 42, Greek text), so that holding to, practicing and professing the heritage of the faith, it becomes on the part of the bishops and faithful a single common effort. (7)

[b]But the task of authentically interpreting the word of God, whether written or handed on, (8) has been entrusted exclusively to the living teaching office of the Church, (9) whose authority is exercised in the name of Jesus Christ. This teaching office is not above the word of God, but serves it, teaching only what has been handed on, listening to it devoutly, guarding it scrupulously and explaining it faithfully in accord with a divine commission and with the help of the Holy Spirit, it draws from this one deposit of faith everything which it presents for belief as divinely revealed.[/b]

Bottom Line: We gotta trust what the Church says is the right translation, because Jesus gave the Church the authority to do so...Period...

[cmotherofpirl]

Actually just pick up a copy of the Navarre Bible [book by book] and you will have read an excellent commentary of the Bible.

[Aloysius]

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pitchin your book again

and WHY WHY WHY WHY, ummm wHYWHY WHY

would you suggest getting info about the Bible from THE WATCHTOWER??!!!!??!!!

That's a Jehovah's Witness thing, and they say Jesus was an angel or somethin...

anyway, yeah, The Watchtower-- not a good thing

also, your book-- not a good thing

anyway, I just glanced over at my shelf and noticed i have The Bible as History by Werner Keller there

but unless you just wanna learn what Jehovah's witnesses think i wouldn't read stuff from the watchtower

yeah, anyway, from what i've seen of the excerpts of your book you posted here, I disagree with the book and if i had a copy with me, i'd probably burn it.

[Livin_the_MASS]

[quote]What Bible Translation Is Good?[/quote]

Anyone that is a Catholic Bible!

[Livin_the_MASS]

NAB is good

[MorphRC]

NAB has a good translation. Stuck to the original quite good, however Protestant renderings got snuck in, thru the inter-faith translators, such as Luke 1:28, also there are some footnotes that are Protestant, and appear to contradict Catholic Doctrine. Apart from that, the authors are way, way to critical of the text, if St. Peter read what they wrote about his writings, he wouldnt trust them!

Edited September 4, 2004 by MorphRC

[carrdero]

Aloysius writes: pitchin your book again

I think the term you are looking for is "utilizing". Like when other people post Scriptural or other literal references.

Aloysius writes: why would you suggest getting info about the Bible from THE WATCHTOWER

Because the book is practical and helpful and not only tells you about the authors but about the timeline in which the books were written.

Aloysius writes: That's a Jehovah's Witness thing

Do you have anything against Jehovah Winesses? Do you have anything against other people?

Aloysius writes: also, your book-- not a good thing

Hmmm, open, honest REALationship with GOD. Isn't that what we are all trying to achieve?

Aloysius writes: yeah, anyway, from what i've seen of the excerpts of your book you posted here, I disagree with the book and if i had a copy with me, i'd probably burn it.

If you did own a copy of the book it would be yours to do with what you pleased. Though as the author I would not want anyone to own a copy of my book unless they really did want to understand and K(NOW) GOD.

[cmotherofpirl]

Since the Jehovahs Witnesses are not even christian why would we want their opinion on the Bible which is a Jewish - Catholic book?

If someone wants a real honest relationship with God, they can consult Him and the Church He established thru his Son, not some fanciful version of reality.

[carrdero]

cmotherofpirl writes: Since the Jehovahs Witnesses are not even christian why would we want their opinion on the Bible which is a Jewish - Catholic book?

Ah, but you see, the Jehovah Witnesses are a Christian organization who also believe they have the truth. And yes the Old Tesatament is a Jewish/Hebrew book which makes me wonder why all organized religions are not based firmly in Judaism. Besides, exploring different beliefs helps not only to rationalize/appreciate/shape why you believe things in a particular way but it is also informative on a cultural level as well.

cmotherofpirl writes:If someone wants a real honest relationship with God, they can consult Him and the Church He established thru his Son, not some fanciful version of reality.

Actually all you really need is GOD. There was GOD before there were churches.

[Aloysius]

God founded the Catholic Church.

Jesus Christ is God.

Jehovah's witnesses do not believe Jesus Christ is true God/true Man the Second Person of the Holy Trinity, so they are not Christian. They do not baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

and yeah, looking into their beliefs I have no problem with. but getting info about the Bible from them, no not a good idea.

umm... yeah, you continue to re-affirm that we do not have the same God. you have a fanciful imagined god through which you can make everything make sense to you (because it's scary for you to think that only one religion can be right about God, you make it as if all religions are wrong about God)

[flip]

i totally believe that the Church has the right teaching/interpretation of the bible...

i have a NAB Catholic study bible. It has some rad critical, historical, and contextual criticisms from Catholic scholars (my fav is Luke Timothy Johnson), But yeah, it has been a great bible for me, the biblical dork that i am...

except some of the OT (especially Jesus prophecies) are translated from the Septugint (Greek trans) and the problems occur in the NAB just as the NIV, King James, etc. However, you always get foot notes in this bible comapring it to the masoretic hebrew text... it awesome.

See, the problem is this: evangelical fundemntalists have taken the OT and translated from the Masoretic text, except the parts where it benefits thier claim, and then the quote from the Septugint. (ie, Paul only had the OT in Greek (Septugint) therefore, he quotes from it. Problem is, when he makes the prophetical links between Jesus and the OT, he is using a translated text, instead of the original. Evangelicals (and some Catholics) therefore put all the OT quotes from Paul in the Septugint translation, and take the rest from the Masoretic text...

[HartfordWhalers]

[quote name='flip' date='Sep 2 2004, 07:41 PM'] ive heard so much talk about loving the vulgate...
























i have always been taught that the vulgate is just a bad translation... [/quote]
No, in fact a Pope said that the Vulgate is just as good as the ORIGINAL MANUSCRIPTS. It is the most perfect translation, as decreed by a Supreme Pontiff of Holy Mother Church. The Vulgate is just as good as the original!

[Aloysius]

St. Jerome likely had manuscripts that are nowadays unavailable.

the Septuagint is the scripture that Jesus Christ and His Apostles used. the Jews of the first century wanted to distance themselves from all Christian things, so they took only books of the old testament of which the original hebrew texts still existed.

[carrdero]

Aloysius writes: God founded the Catholic Church.

In the beginning of my Bible it says “In [the] beginning GOD created heaven and earth”

Aloysius writes: Jesus Christ is God.

Jesus The Christ is a God, yes. (He’s also a superstar)

Aloysius writes: Jehovah's witnesses do not believe Jesus Christ is true God/true Man the Second Person of the Holy Trinity, so they are not Christian.

Hopefully this picture will help you understand where Jehovah Witnesses fit in the realm of organized religion.

[url="http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html"]http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html[/url]


Aloysius writes: and yeah, looking into their beliefs I have no problem with.

It is actually interesting to know how they arrive to their beliefs. And they are really nice people too. Next time they come to your door invite them in for a glass of water

Aloysius writes: but getting info about the Bible from them, no not a good idea.

They are very thorough with their Bible, a little toooo thorough.

Aloysius writes: umm... yeah, you continue to re-affirm that we do not have the same God.

It certainly doesn’t seem that way but yes you are still CORRECT

Aloysius writes: you have a fanciful imagined god.

I have a fanciful imagined GOD? No offense, but if I had a chance to go to Disney World again or St. John’s Cathedral in NYC I would ALL(WAYS) choose St Johns Cathedral. (DISCLAIMER: For those people who have actually visited St. John’s Cathedral you will understand that I am paying the highest compliment possible. Not seen pictures-no, no my friends, I mean actually been there). The GOD I speak about, has nothing on the many different organized religion’s fanciful decorative/ritualistic/scriptural imaginings.

Aloysius writes: through which you can make everything make sense to you

Not everything-I never said everything.

Aloysius writes: (because it's scary for you to think that only one religion can be right about God, you make it as if all religions are wrong about God)

From what I have understood from GOD there is no right or wrong religion. Every religion has some TRUTH here, some good there.

[MorphRC]

[quote name='carrdero' date='Sep 5 2004, 02:40 AM'] cmotherofpirl writes: Since the Jehovahs Witnesses are not even christian why would we want their opinion on the Bible which is a Jewish - Catholic book?

Ah, but you see, the Jehovah Witnesses are a Christian organization who also believe they have the truth. And yes the Old Tesatament is a Jewish/Hebrew book which makes me wonder why all organized religions are not based firmly in Judaism. Besides, exploring different beliefs helps not only to rationalize/appreciate/shape why you believe things in a particular way but it is also informative on a cultural level as well.

cmotherofpirl writes:If someone wants a real honest relationship with God, they can consult Him and the Church He established thru his Son, not some fanciful version of reality.

Actually all you really need is GOD. There was GOD before there were churches. [/quote]
JW's are not Christian. They deny the divinity of Christ. Along with that they have corrupted their Bibles, by deleting any verse or passage of Scripture that could possibly relate to some form of Divinity (NWT Translation). Among that, JW's believe that anyone outside its organization is Satanic, literally demons. They convert the children, and lay claim on them. Including breaking up families, reported incidents in America, Australia and England, have seen children, seeing their parents as satans and demons that cannot be trusted. The JW's tried converting my mum behind my back, then I found out, and they tried both converting us, they attacked me constantly, one male teenager only [17] at the time, converted to JWism and the mum was forced to also to convert, otherwise they threatened to 'protect' him from her.

Another time i went to an 'assembly', where a young 16yr old girl, disagreed with the 'elders', and she was announced by name, and family, and the family was removed from the Hall, and taken to a side room.

JW Doctrine are NOT Christian
JW Beliefs are NOT Christian
JW Conversion Tactics are NOT Christian
JW History is NOT Christian

JW's are as Christian as Hindus.