Sarah147 Posted January 31, 2011 Author Share Posted January 31, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissScripture Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 [quote name='fides quarens intellectum' timestamp='1296499174' post='2207069'] same here - it graded me as a Daily Rosary Catholic I don't fit the given description, though: I think the description under Divine Office (Moderately Traditional) Catholic is a better fit for me: [/quote] This is the same as me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 (edited) I don't get it,i will not participate in segregating the church. God Bless JC "Seek and you shall find" Jesus iz LORD Edited February 1, 2011 by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roamin Catholic Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 [quote name='MissScripture' timestamp='1296524662' post='2207266'] This is the same as me. [/quote] same here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livin_the_MASS Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I was told "You Are a Daily Rosary (Very Traditional) Catholic" Go figure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piccoli Fiori JMJ Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 +JMJ My question: Why is the moderately progressive group named for the Ignatian Exercises? But it was nice seeming some PMers names that I haven't seen in a while... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah147 Posted February 1, 2011 Author Share Posted February 1, 2011 [size="2"][b]Does anyone care to discuss which answers they chose? It would be good to talk out different stances you have in Church teachings, especially on the debate or Q&A board. [/b][/size][size="2"]1. I view the church's teachings on sex (the bans on birth control, extramarital relations, and homosexual acts) as:[/size] [list][*][size="2"]Moral laws that cannot be broken without grave sin[/size][*][size="2"]Ideals that should be honored but guidelines only; God understands that they sometimes can't be lived up to[/size][*][size="2"]In need of some revision, given what we now know about human sexuality and relationships [/size][*][size="2"]In need of drastic revision because they reflect long-abandoned patriarchal social norms[/size][/list][size="2"] [size="2"][/size]2. As a lay Catholic, my chief responsibilities are:[/size] [list][*][size="2"]Obeying all the laws of the church[/size][*][size="2"]Striving for personal holiness[/size][*][size="2"]Getting involved with my parish[/size][*][size="2"]Getting involved with social justice[/size][/list] [size="2"] [/size] [size="2"]3. In my view, Jesus' Mother, Mary, was:[/size] [list][*][size="2"]Conceived without sin and remained perpetually a virgin--a sign of her unique calling as mother of God[/size][*][size="2"]Everything in answer 1 above, and also co-redemptrix with Jesus for our sins[/size][*][size="2"]A role model for our time as an impoverished poor single mother[/size][*][size="2"]A good woman who has been over-emphasized by the church at the expense of more relevant saints[/size][/list] [size="2"]4. When it comes to politics, my Catholic faith influences my voting:[/size] [list][*][size="2"]On moral issues such as abortion[/size][*][size="2"]On social issues such as welfare reform[/size][*][size="2"]On both moral and social issues[/size][*][size="2"]On neither moral nor social issues[/size][/list][size="2"] 5. I pray for the saints' intercession:[/size] [list][*][size="2"]Regularly[/size][*][size="2"]Regularly, and I have a devotion to a favorite saint[/size][*][size="2"]Rarely[/size][*][size="2"]Never[/size][/list] [size="2"]6. I believe in purgatory:[/size] [list][*][size="2"]As a form of punishment for sin[/size][*][size="2"]As a period of spiritual purification[/size][*][size="2"]Not at all, because Jesus' death saved everyone[/size][*][size="2"]Not at all, because purgatory is not mentioned in the Scriptures[/size][/list] [size="2"] [/size][size="2"]7. I attend Mass and receive communion on First Fridays:[/size] [list][*][size="2"]Often[/size][*][size="2"]Occasionally[/size][*][size="2"]Rarely[/size][*][size="2"]Never[/size][/list][size="2"][/size] [size="2"]8. I go to confession:[/size] [list][*][size="2"]Once a week[/size][*][size="2"]Once a month[/size][*][size="2"]Once or twice a year[/size][*][size="2"]Never or hardly ever[/size][/list] [size="2"]9. When I pray, it's often:[/size] [list][*][size="2"]Traditional prayers, including the rosary[/size][*][size="2"]Prayers in my own words[/size][*][size="2"]The 'centering prayer' and other silent forms[/size][*][size="2"]Prayers from other religious traditions, such as Buddhist meditation[/size][/list] [size="2"]10. When it comes to music during Mass, I prefer:[/size] [list][*][size="2"]Gregorian chant and Latin hymns[/size][*][size="2"]Classic hymns and spirituals[/size][*][size="2"]Contemporary liturgical and ethnic music[/size][*][size="2"]No music at all[/size][/list] [size="2"]11. How do you think the Mass should be celebrated?[/size] [list][*][size="2"]In Latin[/size][*][size="2"]Very solemnly—it's sacred time[/size][*][size="2"]It's fine for the celebrant to make the congregation feel welcome with greetings and by thanking them for attending[/size][*][size="2"]I have no problem with going even further: omitting gender-specific language, for example.[/size][/list] [size="2"]12. The primary meaning of the consecration of the Mass is that the bread and wine become:[/size] [list][*][size="2"]The actual body and blood of Christ[/size][*][size="2"]Symbols of Christ's spiritual presence among us[/size][*][size="2"]Symbols of our unity with all of Christ's church[/size][*][size="2"]A sign of our duty to feed our fellow human beings[/size][/list] [size="2"]13. As far as I'm concerned, the pope is:[/size] [list][*][size="2"]The vicar of Christ and supreme head of the church[/size][*][size="2"]Deserving of special deference as bishop of Rome but by no means supreme or infallible[/size][*][size="2"]Deserving of reverence but not necessarily obedience[/size][*][size="2"]Just another bishop among bishops[/size][/list] [size="2"]14. About ordaining women as priests, I think:[/size] [list][*][size="2"]It's inevitable for the survival of the church[/size][*][size="2"]It's theologically impossible, because Jesus chose only men to be his apostles[/size][*][size="2"]It's theologically possible but would discourage men from becoming priests[/size][*][size="2"]Jesus never intended to found an ordained priesthood, so the question is irrelevant[/size][/list] [size="2"]15. About priestly celibacy, I think:[/size] [list][*][size="2"]It's a hard rule, but it allows the priest to devote himself unselfishly to God and to his parishioners[/size][*][size="2"]It should be optional, but as in the Eastern churches, priests should not be allowed to marry after ordination[/size][*][size="2"]It should be optional, and ordained priests should be allowed to marry [/size][*][size="2"]Priests should be encouraged to marry, so as to be able to relate to their married parishioners[/size][/list] [size="2"]16. My favorite kind of church design is:[/size] [list][*][size="2"]Very traditional, with plenty of stained glass and statues[/size][*][size="2"]Neo-traditional, with just a few tasteful statues or mosaics[/size][*][size="2"]In the round, so everyone can feel close to the altar[/size][*][size="2"]With minimal decoration, so the focus will be on the worshipping community[/size][/list] [size="2"]17. My opinion of the Second Vatican Council is:[/size] [list][*][size="2"]It was long overdue, and its changes still haven't been fully implemented[/size][*][size="2"]The church was ripe for some changes, but liberals have taken them too far[/size][*][size="2"]There are theological reasons for arguing that it was not a true ecumenical council[/size][*][size="2"]It didn't go far enough; we need a Third Vatican Council[/size][/list] [size="2"]18. 'The church is behind the times':[/size] [list][*][size="2"]Yes[/size][*][size="2"]Yes, although it is slowly catching up[/size][*][size="2"]No[/size][*][size="2"]The concept is irrelevant, because the church stands outside of time[/size][/list] [size="2"]19. I attend Mass:[/size] [list][*][size="2"]Every day when I can[/size][*][size="2"]Every Sunday and holy day[/size][*][size="2"]Fairly often but not every Sunday[/size][*][size="2"]Occasionally[/size][/list] [size="2"]20. I abstain from meat:[/size] [list][*][size="2"]Every Friday--it's the traditional penance[/size][*][size="2"]On Ash Wednesday and the Fridays of Lent as required[/size][*][size="2"]Yes, but my reasons are not related to the law of the church[/size][*][size="2"]Not really[/size][/list] [size="2"]21. About abortion, I believe:[/size] [list][*][size="2"]It is a grave moral wrong, and we should support laws severely restricting its availability[/size][*][size="2"]It is a grave moral wrong, but a woman's decision to abort should be honored except in extreme cases, such as late-term abortion[/size][*][size="2"]It is a grave moral wrong, but women have a right to make their own choices without restriction[/size][*][size="2"]It can be a moral decision under some circumstances and so should not be restricted[/size][/list] [size="2"]22. When Catholic politicians or holders of public office take a position at variance with church teaching on such issues as abortion, Catholic bishops should:[/size] [list][*][size="2"]Declare them excommunicated and withhold communion from them[/size][*][size="2"]Publicly condemn them but not deny them communion[/size][*][size="2"]Privately reprove but not publicly embarrass them[/size][*][size="2"]Do nothing, as any action would interfere with separation of church and state[/size][/list] [size="2"]23. On the issue of gay priests, I believe:[/size] [list][*][size="2"]No one who self-identifies as gay should be admitted to the priesthood[/size][*][size="2"]Self-identified gays may be priests as long as they lead chaste lives[/size][*][size="2"]The church should follow a "don't ask, don't tell" policy that would allow gay priests who don't flaunt their homosexuality[/size][*][size="2"]The church should welcome gays into the clergy[/size][/list][size="2"]24. About married Catholics who divorce, the church should:[/size] [list][*][size="2"]Recognize a civil divorce but not allow the parties to remarry[/size][*][size="2"]Recognize that some marriages simply die, and let the parties try to find new mates[/size][*][size="2"]Allow Catholics to divorce and remarry, but only under serious circumstances such as adultery or desertion[/size][*][size="2"]Never allow Catholics to divorce[/size][/list] [size="2"]25. My relation to Catholicism can be summed up as follows:[/size] [list][*][size="2"]It's the most meaningful spiritual force in my life, even when its doctrines seem difficult to follow[/size][*][size="2"]It's very important to me, but there are some teachings I just can't agree with so I ignore them[/size][*][size="2"]There's a lot about the church that I don't agree with, but it has been in my life for so long that I couldn't abandon it[/size][*][size="2"]I call myself Catholic, but mostly for reasons of cultural and/or religious heritage[/size][/list] [b][font="Times New Roman"][size="2"]What Kind of Catholic Are You?[/size][/font][/b] [b][size="2"]You Are a Daily Rosary (Very Traditional) Catholic [/size][/b] [size="2"]You'd like the church to revive the time-honored devotions, liturgical practices, and strong institutional discipline that prevailed before the Second Vatican Council—and you're hoping that Pope Benedict XVI will lead the church in exactly that direction. Your favorite hymn is probably a traditional Latin composition such as the "Panis Angelicus," and your favorite pope is probably a pioneer of the Church's great liturgical tradition such as Gregory the Great.[/size] [center][size="2"][/size][/center][b][size="2"]Did we get you right? Scroll down to see the other categories or [/size][url="http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Christianity/Quiz/What-Kind-of-Catholic-Are-You.aspx"][size="2"]click here to take the quiz again![/size][/url][/b] [list][*][b][size="2"]You Are a Centering Prayer (Very Progressive) Catholic[/size][/b][/list][size="2"]As far as you're concerned, the Second Vatican Council was the best thing that ever happened to the church—but since then, the much-needed changes it made in the structure, theology and liturgy of the church have been hijacked by reactionary priests, bishops, and laity. You believe that in order to be relevant to our time and faithful to the teachings of Jesus, the church must dismantle its current hierarchical structure and change its teachings on such issues as birth control and gay unions. You believe that social justice, especially for minorities and women, is the church's most important—and most neglected—concern. Your idea of a good movie is "Dead Man Walking." When someone asks you who your favorite pope is, your first thought is that the papacy itself is a suspect institution—so why not "Pope Joan?"[/size] [list][*][b][size="2"]You Are an Ignatian Exercises (Moderately Progressive) Catholic [/size][/b][/list][size="2"]You love the church, but you'd like to see some changes in certain areas--birth control, divorce, the role of women--where official teaching seems disconnected from contemporary experience. You find the new vernacular liturgy, forms of prayer (such as adapting the age-old Ignatian Exercises for the laity), and devotions that arose in the wake of the Second Vatican Council much more relevant to your own spirituality than the old. Your favorite hymn is probably a contemporary standard such as "On Eagle's Wings." It goes without saying that your favorite pope is John XXIII, the pope of Vatican II. You admire examples of sanctity that seem relevant to our time, such as Dorothy Day. You loved the movie "The Mission," because it reflected a Christian concern for the marginalized that was squelched by the institutional church.[/size] [list][*][b][size="2"]You Are a Divine Office (Moderately Traditional) Catholic[/size][/b][/list][size="2"]The Second Vatican Council was much needed, as far as you're concerned, but you see no reason to push the church further in the direction of change, as many progressives urge. You like the dynamic combination of the traditional approach toward doctrine with the opening of the church to the world that Pope John Paul II (your favorite pope) represented. As far as liturgy is concerned, a reverent Mass in the vernacular is your favorite, as is a vernacular hymn with a feeling for the transcendent such as "Let All Mortal Flesh Keep Silence." When Nicole Kidman returned to her childhood Catholicism and regular Mass attendance, you were thrilled.[/size] [center][size="2"][/size][/center] _________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissyP89 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I got very traditional. No, no...I love my traddy friends with all my heart, but fit better in the moderately traditional (Divine Office) description. My answers were the standard orthodox ones, with exceptions on gay priests (fine, if stable, accountable and chaste) and married priests (fine too, prior to ordination. Celibate for life if ordained single). And I'll take a reverently celebrated Mass in the vernacular, no silliness, classic hymns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG45 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 (edited) You Are a Daily Rosary (Very Traditional) Catholic You'd like the church to revive the time-honored devotions, liturgical practices, and strong institutional discipline that prevailed before the Second Vatican Council—and you're hoping that Pope Benedict XVI will lead the church in exactly that direction. Your favorite hymn is probably a traditional Latin composition such as the "Panis Angelicus," and your favorite pope is probably a pioneer of the Church's great liturgical tradition such as Gregory the Great. Read more: http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Christianity/Quiz/What-Kind-of-Catholic-Are-You.aspx#ixzz1CkJ4geN6 Um, the only time I've heard Panis Angelicus in a Catholic Church was last Christmas and I heard it for the first time ever by Protestant singers, BarlowGirl on their Christmas album! I've never attended a Latin Mass though, or heard Gregorian Chant except on CD; I'm fine with attending a Mass in Vernacular personally, it's the only one I've ever attended. Edit: Also woot, it finally worked today. Edited February 1, 2011 by BG45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franciscanheart Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 I don't see the number I got, but it said I'm a "Daily Rosary (Very Traditional)" Catholic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 (edited) [size="2"][b] [/b][/size][size="2"]1. I view the church's teachings on sex (the bans on birth control, extramarital relations, and homosexual acts) as:[/size] [list][*][size="2"][b]Moral laws that cannot be broken without grave sin[/b][/size][*][size="2"]Ideals that should be honored but guidelines only; God understands that they sometimes can't be lived up to[/size][*][size="2"]In need of some revision, given what we now know about human sexuality and relationships [/size][*][size="2"]In need of drastic revision because they reflect long-abandoned patriarchal social norms[/size][/list][size="2"] [size="2"][/size]2. As a lay Catholic, my chief responsibilities are:[/size] [list][*][size="2"]Obeying all the laws of the church[/size][*][size="2"][b]Striving for personal holiness[/b][/size][*][size="2"]Getting involved with my parish[/size][*][size="2"]Getting involved with social justice[/size][/list] [size="2"] [/size] Disclaimer: Options 1 and 2 are inextricably linked, and 3 and 4 are also very praiseworthy and not to be ignored. [size="2"]3. In my view, Jesus' Mother, Mary, was:[/size] [list][*][size="2"]Conceived without sin and remained perpetually a virgin--a sign of her unique calling as mother of God[/size][*][size="2"][b]Everything in answer 1 above, and also co-redemptrix with Jesus for our sins[/b][/size][*][size="2"]A role model for our time as an impoverished poor single mother[/size][*][size="2"]A good woman who has been over-emphasized by the church at the expense of more relevant saints[/size][/list] Caveat that co-redemptrix is not dogma. [size="2"]4. When it comes to politics, my Catholic faith influences my voting:[/size] [list][*][size="2"]On moral issues such as abortion[/size][*][size="2"]On social issues such as welfare reform[/size][*][size="2"][b]On both moral and social issues[/b][/size][*][size="2"]On neither moral nor social issues[/size][/list][size="2"] Caveat: I have nonstandard views on politics that make me somewhat suspicious of 'democracy', but my faith fully informs these political views. 5. I pray for the saints' intercession:[/size] [list][*][size="2"]Regularly[/size][*][size="2"][b]Regularly, and I have a devotion to a favorite saint[/b][/size][*][size="2"]Rarely[/size][*][size="2"]Never[/size][/list] [size="2"]6. I believe in purgatory:[/size] [list][*][size="2"]As a form of punishment for sin[/size][*][size="2"][b]As a period of spiritual purification[/b][/size][*][size="2"]Not at all, because Jesus' death saved everyone[/size][*][size="2"]Not at all, because purgatory is not mentioned in the Scriptures[/size][/list] [size="2"] [/size][size="2"]7. I attend Mass and receive communion on First Fridays:[/size] [list][*][size="2"]Often[/size][*][size="2"]Occasionally[/size][*][size="2"][b]Rarely[/b][/size][*][size="2"]Never[/size][/list][size="2"][/size] Would do so if I had the opportunity. [size="2"]8. I go to confession:[/size] [list][*][size="2"]Once a week[/size][*][size="2"][b]Once a month[/b][/size][*][size="2"]Once or twice a year[/size][*][size="2"]Never or hardly ever[/size][/list] Not at the moment, but this is my current goal that I'm working towards. [size="2"]9. When I pray, it's often:[/size] [list][*][size="2"][b]Traditional prayers, including the rosary[/b][/size][*][size="2"]Prayers in my own words[/size][*][size="2"]The 'centering prayer' and other silent forms[/size][*][size="2"]Prayers from other religious traditions, such as Buddhist meditation[/size][/list] [size="2"]10. When it comes to music during Mass, I prefer:[/size] [list][*][size="2"][b]Gregorian chant and Latin hymns[/b][/size][*][size="2"]Classic hymns and spirituals[/size][*][size="2"]Contemporary liturgical and ethnic music[/size][*][size="2"]No music at all[/size][/list] [size="2"]11. How do you think the Mass should be celebrated?[/size] [list][*][size="2"]In Latin[/size][*][size="2"]Very solemnly—it's sacred time[/size][*][size="2"]It's fine for the celebrant to make the congregation feel welcome with greetings and by thanking them for attending[/size][*][size="2"]I have no problem with going even further: omitting gender-specific language, for example.[/size][/list] Forget what i said, but I agree with both 1 and 2, and see no essential difference. I also don't think Latin is universally necessary, i.e. the Eastern Churches, but I see it as very beneficial in the Latin Rite. [size="2"]12. The primary meaning of the consecration of the Mass is that the bread and wine become:[/size] [list][*][size="2"][b]The actual body and blood of Christ[/b][/size][*][size="2"]Symbols of Christ's spiritual presence among us[/size][*][size="2"]Symbols of our unity with all of Christ's church[/size][*][size="2"]A sign of our duty to feed our fellow human beings[/size][/list] [size="2"]13. As far as I'm concerned, the pope is:[/size] [list][*][size="2"][b]The vicar of Christ and supreme head of the church[/b][/size][*][size="2"]Deserving of special deference as bishop of Rome but by no means supreme or infallible[/size][*][size="2"]Deserving of reverence but not necessarily obedience[/size][*][size="2"]Just another bishop among bishops[/size][/list] Distinction should be made between ex cathedra, fallible opinions, etc., etc., etc.. [size="2"]14. About ordaining women as priests, I think:[/size] [list][*][size="2"]It's inevitable for the survival of the church[/size][*][size="2"][b]It's theologically impossible, because Jesus chose only men to be his apostles[/b][/size][*][size="2"]It's theologically possible but would discourage men from becoming priests[/size][*][size="2"]Jesus never intended to found an ordained priesthood, so the question is irrelevant[/size][/list] Caveat: There are other reasons as well. [size="2"]15. About priestly celibacy, I think:[/size] [list][*][size="2"][b]It's a hard rule, but it allows the priest to devote himself unselfishly to God and to his parishioners[/b][/size][*][size="2"]It should be optional, but as in the Eastern churches, priests should not be allowed to marry after ordination[/size][*][size="2"]It should be optional, and ordained priests should be allowed to marry [/size][*][size="2"]Priests should be encouraged to marry, so as to be able to relate to their married parishioners[/size][/list] I have no problem with the Eastern discipline, but I think a celibate clergy is best. [size="2"]16. My favorite kind of church design is:[/size] [list][*][size="2"][b]Very traditional, with plenty of stained glass and statues[/b][/size][*][size="2"]Neo-traditional, with just a few tasteful statues or mosaics[/size][*][size="2"]In the round, so everyone can feel close to the altar[/size][*][size="2"]With minimal decoration, so the focus will be on the worshipping community[/size][/list] I prefer French Gothic, second place I prefer traditional Cistercian. [size="2"]17. My opinion of the Second Vatican Council is:[/size] [list][*][size="2"]It was long overdue, and its changes still haven't been fully implemented[/size][*][size="2"][b]The church was ripe for some changes, but liberals have taken them too far[/b][/size][*][size="2"]There are theological reasons for arguing that it was not a true ecumenical council[/size][*][size="2"]It didn't go far enough; we need a Third Vatican Council[/size][/list] Didn't like any of the options. Certain groups forced a "spirit" of the council. The council made no earth-shattering changes, so saying that the Church was "ripe" for them is somewhat misleading. [size="2"]18. 'The church is behind the times':[/size] [list][*][size="2"]Yes[/size][*][size="2"]Yes, although it is slowly catching up[/size][*][size="2"]No[/size][*][size="2"][b]The concept is irrelevant, because the church stands outside of time[/b][/size][/list] "Catching up with the times" is a concept opposed to legitimate Christianity. [size="2"]19. I attend Mass:[/size] [list][*][size="2"]Every day when I can[/size][*][size="2"][b]Every Sunday and holy day[/b][/size][*][size="2"]Fairly often but not every Sunday[/size][*][size="2"]Occasionally[/size][/list] Wish I could attend every day. [size="2"]20. I abstain from meat:[/size] [list][*][size="2"]Every Friday--it's the traditional penance[/size][*][size="2"][b]On Ash Wednesday and the Fridays of Lent as required[/b][/size][*][size="2"]Yes, but my reasons are not related to the law of the church[/size][*][size="2"]Not really[/size][/list] My chronic disease makes fasting potentially harmful, so I have to be careful, For health reasons, not religious opinions. [size="2"]21. About abortion, I believe:[/size] [list][*][size="2"][b]It is a grave moral wrong, and we should support laws severely restricting its availability[/b][/size][*][size="2"]It is a grave moral wrong, but a woman's decision to abort should be honored except in extreme cases, such as late-term abortion[/size][*][size="2"]It is a grave moral wrong, but women have a right to make their own choices without restriction[/size][*][size="2"]It can be a moral decision under some circumstances and so should not be restricted[/size][/list] I find "laws severely restricting its availability" to be even not radical enough. [size="2"]22. When Catholic politicians or holders of public office take a position at variance with church teaching on such issues as abortion, Catholic bishops should:[/size] [list][*][size="2"][b]Declare them excommunicated and withhold communion from them[/b][/size][*][size="2"]Publicly condemn them but not deny them communion[/size][*][size="2"]Privately reprove but not publicly embarrass them[/size][*][size="2"]Do nothing, as any action would interfere with separation of church and state[/size][/list] I hate politicians. [size="2"]23. On the issue of gay priests, I believe:[/size] [list][*][size="2"][b]No one who self-identifies as gay should be admitted to the priesthood[/b][/size][*][size="2"]Self-identified gays may be priests as long as they lead chaste lives[/size][*][size="2"]The church should follow a "don't ask, don't tell" policy that would allow gay priests who don't flaunt their homosexuality[/size][*][size="2"]The church should welcome gays into the clergy[/size][/list] Self-identification as "gay" is rather disordered. [size="2"] 24. About married Catholics who divorce, the church should:[/size] [list][*][size="2"][b]Recognize a civil divorce but not allow the parties to remarry[/b][/size][*][size="2"]Recognize that some marriages simply die, and let the parties try to find new mates[/size][*][size="2"]Allow Catholics to divorce and remarry, but only under serious circumstances such as adultery or desertion[/size][*][size="2"]Never allow Catholics to divorce[/size][/list] Caveat: Annulments. [size="2"]25. My relation to Catholicism can be summed up as follows:[/size] [list][*][size="2"][b]It's the most meaningful spiritual force in my life, even when its doctrines seem difficult to follow[/b][/size][*][size="2"]It's very important to me, but there are some teachings I just can't agree with so I ignore them[/size][*][size="2"]There's a lot about the church that I don't agree with, but it has been in my life for so long that I couldn't abandon it[/size][*][size="2"]I call myself Catholic, but mostly for reasons of cultural and/or religious heritage[/size][/list] Fluff question. Poorly worded, poor answers. [b][font="Times New Roman"][size="2"]What Kind of Catholic Are You?[/size][/font][/b] [b][size="2"]You Are a Daily Rosary (Very Traditional) Catholic [/size][/b] [size="2"]You'd like the church to revive the time-honored devotions, liturgical practices, and strong institutional discipline that prevailed before the Second Vatican Council—and you're hoping that Pope Benedict XVI will lead the church in exactly that direction. Your favorite hymn is probably a traditional Latin composition such as the "Panis Angelicus," and your favorite pope is probably a pioneer of the Church's great liturgical tradition such as Gregory the Great.[/size] [center][size="2"][/size][/center] _________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Edited February 2, 2011 by Nihil Obstat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExCorde Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 (edited) I'll just say that another thing that doesn't make sense is how "Daily Rosary" is more serious than "Divine Office". The Rosary has been a much more popular and accessible devotion whereas the Office was used by the cultural elites and religious. I at least take more time to do Lauds and Vespers than a Rosary. I don't even want to think of the implications that have lead to such reasoning because they are offensive to faithful Catholics. For that reason alone I wouldn't entertain a discussion based on the options we are given, but narrow it down to just those few questions where we are asked about our actual devotional practice and taste. [quote name='Theologian in Training' timestamp='1057700178' post='2870'] I don't like how some questions are phrased as though we either take a juridical standpoint or an, for lack of a better word, "anarchist" standpoint. If you don't agree totally then you become progressive, and if you do agree totally you are traditional, which means that you go by the book, only the book, and nothing but the book. It kind of makes God nothing more than the law, stale and devoid of any kind of loving relationship. I would rather not take this quiz. God Bless [/quote] Word. Whoever made this doesn't get to the heart of the Church so they're probably anarchist in their own way. [quote name='Light and Truth' timestamp='1296442326' post='2206895'] That is a ridiculous quiz. You cannot give some of those answers and be a proper Catholic. There are Cafeteria Catholic answers, and if those were acceptable, I would have converted 7 years ago to Catholicism. It is neither fair nor right that such people should be considered Catholic. Then we combine these with questions based purely on aesthetics? Ridiculous. [/quote] Ditto. Edited February 4, 2011 by ExCorde Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExCorde Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 [quote name='JoyfulLife' timestamp='1296434763' post='2206847'] [size="2"] ... I didn't know where the Church stands about gay men becoming Priests as long as they live chaste? [/size] [/quote] The official answer has been a clear [u]no[/u]. «(...) the Church, while profoundly respecting the persons in question, cannot admit to the seminary or to holy orders those who practise homosexuality, present deep-seated homosexual tendencies or support the so-called "gay culture".» You need not only to remain chaste and have nothing to do with the "gay culture", but the tendencies themselves cannot be deep-seated, which are differentiated from less serious situations under the following terms: «Different, however, would be the case in which one were dealing with homosexual tendencies that were only the expression of a transitory problem - for example, that of an adolescence not yet superseded. Nevertheless, such tendencies must be clearly overcome at least three years before ordination to the diaconate.» Source: [url="http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/ccatheduc/documents/rc_con_ccatheduc_doc_20051104_istruzione_en.html"]Instruction Concerning the Criteria for the Discernment of Vocations with regard to Persons with Homosexual Tendencies in view of their Admission to the Seminary and to Holy Orders[/url] (2005) I personally know of men in this situation being turned down from monasteries in Europe (Germany) right around the year this came out. So it's really settled, Deo gratias. Let's give our support to pastoral assistance for people in these circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JenDeMaria Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 [quote name='ExCorde' timestamp='1296809507' post='2208594'] I'll just say that another thing that doesn't make sense is how "Daily Rosary" is more serious than "Divine Office". The Rosary has been a much more popular and accessible devotion whereas the Office was used by the cultural elites and religious. I at least take more time to do Lauds and Vespers than a Rosary. I don't even want to think of the implications that have lead to such reasoning because they are offensive to faithful Catholics. [/quote] I get the sense that the implication is that the Divine Office was reformed during the Second Vatican Council and the rosary was not. Therefore, the rosary is a highly traditional prayer while the Liturgy of the Hours, though traditional in character, bears the stamp of the Council and is more modern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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