dabukthumpa Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Alright I made a mistake in setting up the last poll. Sorry about that! Where do you stand? A great and deep probing intellectual debate that has resurfaced in the recent years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabukthumpa Posted September 2, 2004 Author Share Posted September 2, 2004 Please post on this poll - thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateo el Feo Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 How about neither? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1337 k4th0l1x0r Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 I pick the coordinate system and I say neither. I'm the center of the universe in my coordinate system. I don't do it that way for selfish reasons. I do it for convenience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 [quote name='1337 k4th0l1x0r' date='Sep 2 2004, 01:24 PM'] I pick the coordinate system and I say neither. I'm the center of the universe in my coordinate system. I don't do it that way for selfish reasons. I do it for convenience. [/quote] Is it the Cartesian coordinate system or the polar system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullnaChinaShop Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 It depends on the bounds of the discussion. If we are just discussing the solar system then Heliocentrism is true. But if we are including all of space then neither is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabukthumpa Posted September 2, 2004 Author Share Posted September 2, 2004 Using the Tyco Brah model and Newton's Laws of Gravity - With the Earth being the Center Mass - Geocentrism is the only plausible option. Not to mention the biblical evidence for the earth being the center of the Universe, and the decleration of the Church (which let me mind you - has never recinded it's geocentric position in favor of Heliocentrism) also the constant mind of the Father's for the geocentric model - and lastly Theologically it makes more sense. Also, as I have stated before there is no clear proof at all that we live in a heliocentric universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theoketos Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Other then Nasa not lying, there is no proff... I have faith that those nerdy scientists do not lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabukthumpa Posted September 2, 2004 Author Share Posted September 2, 2004 Many, many Nerdy Scientist support a Geocentric System! Einstien himself made it clear that there was no way to scientifically refute the Geocentric system, even though he himself tended to a heliocentric one. Secondly, I will take, Scripture, Tradition, the Fathers, and the Teaching Authority of the Church over any Scientist anyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullnaChinaShop Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 So you want us to throw out all science that came about after Brahe about astrodynamics. Brahe's observations of the locations of the planets and stars led him to conclude that the stars and planets revolved around the earth in circular paths. Unforunately there were inconsistencies between his observations and this theory. These inconsistencies led Kepler took Brahe's observations and used them to prove that the planets moved in elliptical orbits around the sun. But Kepler did not know why the planets moved in ellipses. This was explained by Newton Law of Gravitation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullnaChinaShop Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 [quote name='dabukthumpa' date='Sep 2 2004, 01:51 PM'] Many, many Nerdy Scientist support a Geocentric System! Einstien himself made it clear that there was no way to scientifically refute the Geocentric system, even though he himself tended to a heliocentric one. Secondly, I will take, Scripture, Tradition, the Fathers, and the Teaching Authority of the Church over any Scientist anyday. [/quote] How about listing some of these nerdy scientists and show quotes of Einstein backing up your claim of his as I have never heard them. As for the Church show where the Church has definitively stated that the earth is the center of the solar system. I seem to have missed that one as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomProddy Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 The earth is at the centre of the [i]visible[/i] universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabukthumpa Posted September 2, 2004 Author Share Posted September 2, 2004 Actually, Newton's laws of Gravity do support a Geocentric model with Earth being center mass. This Geocentric model is completely plausible with all of today's scientific advancements and methods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullnaChinaShop Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 [quote name='RandomProddy' date='Sep 2 2004, 02:17 PM'] The earth is at the centre of the [i]visible[/i] universe. [/quote] Not technically. Brahe collected all his observations before the invention of the telescope and therefore he could see many of the stars and planets. And his observations are the basis of the Heliocentric Kepler's Laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullnaChinaShop Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 [quote name='dabukthumpa' date='Sep 2 2004, 02:20 PM'] Actually, Newton's laws of Gravity do support a Geocentric model with Earth being center mass. This Geocentric model is completely plausible with all of today's scientific advancements and methods. [/quote] Why don't you explain what you mean by center of mass? You seem to use this term differently than I was taught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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