flip Posted August 31, 2004 Share Posted August 31, 2004 All of my encounters with speaking in tounges are people that basically mumble loudly and make no sense, with no interpreter... pleas correct me if i am wrong, but isnt speaking in tounges mean that people speak in other languages and not just "hummmna hummmna blah blah magitttty"? and where are the interpreters? what the deal yo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 I aggree with you. my friend and I were talking about it, and I faked it for her (cause it's so easy to do)... it just seems like random blabber to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 C.S. Lewis alluded to this type of behavior in the Screwtape Letters. He didn't mention speaking in tongues directly, but rather a way that people use to convince themselves that they have a spiritual life when they don't. The clearest indication being that if its just pretend, then it won't impact your daily actions and it won't make you act like a Christian...it will just make you sometimes be very showy about far out sorts of things to make others think you are a devout Christian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toledo_jesus Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 never experienced it. Don't think I'd believe it if I saw it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 The Bible diminishes the importance of speaking in tongues compared to the other gifts of the Spirit (love, faith, hope). It also speaks of how you should be silent unless the people around you can actually understand what you're saying. See 1 Corinthians 14. "Whoever speaks in a tongue builds himself up, but whoever prophesies builds up the church. Now I should like all of you to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy. One who prophesies is greater than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may be built up. Now, brothers, if I should come to you speaking in tongues, what good will I do you if I do not speak to you by way of revelation, or knowledge, or prophecy, or instruction? Likewise, if inanimate things that produce sound, such as flute or harp, do not give out the tones distinctly, how will what is being played on flute or harp be recognized? And if the bugle gives an indistinct sound, who will get ready for battle? [b]Similarly, if you, because of speaking in tongues, do not utter intelligible speech, how will anyone know what is being said? For you will be talking to the air.[/b]" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p0lar_bear Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 I'm too lazy to repeat my discussion on this.... [url="http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?showtopic=13692&hl=tongues&st=25"]http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?showt...l=tongues&st=25[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scofizzle Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Polar bear...hahahha...thats something I would do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scofizzle Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 As far as speaking in tounges goes..... I have experienced speaking in tounges, but it was in a crowd of 5000 people so I have no idea if there was an interpreter. I personally believe that someone can be consumed in the spririt and speak in tongues. I think the thing I ask myself is... could this be real? is God capable of doing this in any case?...yes..... would he? maybe not....I have also seen instances (mainly involving some of our protestant brothers and sisters) who claim to be able to speak in tongues on comand...I do not think that is realy the holy spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briguy Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Scofizzle, what you need to do is search the scriptures and see what the Bible really says about the purpose of tongues and then the truth on them will be clear. Tongues were a sign to "unbelieving Isreal" that a judgement of God was coming. Tongues pointed to a time when God would scatter the Jews for rejecting His Son. That happened in 70AD. Once the judgement came the sign faded way (i.e. if you are driving and a sign says "steep hill ahead", once you pass the hill no more signs for that hill are needed), as Paul said it would. Anyway, that was a very quick overview of the Tongues issue. Tongue speakers today are good well meaning people, but do not have any gift to do what they are doing, they are mistaken in their understanding. Hope that didn't sound too prideful or overly direct, it was not intended that way Take care, In Christ, Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeology cat Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 I don't agree that there isn't still the gift of tongues. It's still a sign for unbelievers, as I know many non-Christians who have heard Christians speak in tongues and it has served as that final sign for them that God is real & powerful. I've heard quite a few people speak in tongues, some genuine, some not. It seems fairly easy to tell who's doing it for show and who is being sincere. The one truly sincere I've heard had an interpreter, the others didn't, so I didn't pay attention to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scofizzle Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 [quote name='Briguy' date='Sep 2 2004, 07:46 AM'] Hope that didn't sound too prideful or overly direct, it was not intended that way [/quote] I don't think thats the case. There are still non-believers out there and it can be used as a sign for them (weak argument, I know but true). I personally won't put it past the Holy Spirit to move in someone however it wishes. While someone may be speaking in tongues I have not been givent he gift of interpretation. So the "sign" was obviously not meant for me, but i just happened to see it. If I personally pass the "hill ahead" sign it is still there for those who are on the road behind me. [QUOTE] We're all friends here and it is almost impossible to convey emotions online. And it's we are on the bedate table so thre can be condusion of feelings. Peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HartfordWhalers Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 [quote name='Scofizzle' date='Sep 2 2004, 01:24 AM'] As far as speaking in tounges goes..... I have experienced speaking in tounges, but it was in a crowd of 5000 people so I have no idea if there was an interpreter. I personally believe that someone can be consumed in the spririt and speak in tongues. I think the thing I ask myself is... could this be real? is God capable of doing this in any case?...yes..... would he? maybe not....I have also seen instances (mainly involving some of our protestant brothers and sisters) who claim to be able to speak in tongues on comand...I do not think that is realy the holy spirit. [/quote] Most Priests I have talked to say that these gifts can only be found in the Church, since to allow them to be found outside the Church would be to support heresy. I have also read from Fr. Harden that protestant "tongues" are not from God but the devil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeology cat Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 [quote name='HartfordWhalers' date='Sep 2 2004, 12:37 PM'] I have also read from Fr. Harden that protestant "tongues" are not from God but the devil. [/quote] Why is that? I'm not mad, just wanting clarification. My take on that is based on Scripture. You know when the apostles were getting mad because someone else was casting out demons in the name of Jesus? And Jesus said not to get mad, because those who are for us can't be against us? (Mark 9, 38"Teacher," said John, "we saw a man driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us." 39"Do not stop him," Jesus said. "No one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me,). So, as far as I can tell, those who are truly doing it because God's power is on them at the time, aren't being heretical. Granted there are some who do it for show, but when the experience is drawing people to God, then I say it's legitimate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HartfordWhalers Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 (edited) [quote name='shinobininjasp' date='Sep 2 2004, 11:50 AM'] Why is that? I'm not mad, just wanting clarification. My take on that is based on Scripture. You know when the apostles were getting mad because someone else was casting out demons in the name of Jesus? And Jesus said not to get mad, because those who are for us can't be against us? (Mark 9, 38"Teacher," said John, "we saw a man driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us." 39"Do not stop him," Jesus said. "No one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me,). So, as far as I can tell, those who are truly doing it because God's power is on them at the time, aren't being heretical. Granted there are some who do it for show, but when the experience is drawing people to God, then I say it's legitimate. [/quote] He also said, though, about those who cast out demons in His Name: "Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and done many miracles in thy name? And then will I profess unto them, [b]I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity[/b]." St. Matthew 7: 22-23. By the way, if it's not leading people to the Church, then it's not leading people to God. Edited September 2, 2004 by HartfordWhalers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 [quote]Granted there are some who do it for show, but when the experience is drawing people to God, then I say it's legitimate. [/quote] Unless the experience is drawing people to a false impression of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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