MorphRC Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 I just looked thru this briefly, but I dont think anyone addressed 'Fundamentalist Catholic'. There is no such thing speed, a fundamentalist equates himself to 'the 5 Solas', anti-catholicism, and heavy judgmental attitudes on disbelievers. He rejects the papacy, rejects works as useless, since Sola Fide saves. A Catholic rejects all these. Therefore saying 'Fundamentalist Catholics' is a massive oxymoron, kinda like 'Abortion Doctor'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franciscanheart Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 Reading this post I became very angered. So many people call themselves Catholic who do not represent that Church in any positive way. In fact it seems the only thing they agree on is that Christ is our Savior. rawr. we dont hate anyone sin is sin sin is wrong we do not judge the sinner and everything else that has been said.... im so frustrated i cant even think straight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 [quote name='Scofizzle' date='Aug 31 2004, 07:53 PM'] It think it is a shame he has left.....he seems to be confused but deep within i can feel there is holiness there [/quote] Could be. I think it is too bad they would leave, because it could have been a good discussion. On the other hand, (and this isn't directed at you, Scofizzle, I use the term "you" figuratively, not literally) there may have been sincerity and good intentions, but if you come barreling onto a message board with an angry and hostile tone, what do you expect? I'm not a lick surprised that the poster ended up offended by the responses, and that they would RECEIVE harsh responses, given their entry. But if you can dish it out, you've gotta take it, too. If you want to really hash out issues and debate with people, you've gotta be calm and charitable if you want to get anywhere. You only barge in with hostility if you're just there to stir up the pot. I'd like to think he/she meant well, but has a lot of anger and frustration, which makes discussion messy sometimes. Something I learned in hapkido -- which is interesting because it also applies to people in discussion: however you attack determines how they will respond. A harsh attack can get you hurt. :ph34r: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 [quote name='godspeed' date='Aug 31 2004, 09:14 PM'] [QUOTE] Thanks for that, real nice. Its wonderful to be told that I work for Satan in this individual's previous post. I guess there is no room for my opinion on this website if that is what I am getting in return. I will leave now, my day with you all was interesting if a little disturbing with posts like the one quoted [/quote] Funny you only respond to the one message that worries about your soul, and are incapable of responding to any of the ones dealing with your post. We respond with love and concern for your soul and your grave misunderstanding of Church teaching, and you run for cover. Did we hit a nerve? We are more than willing to listen, and you willing to talk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 (edited) [quote]Therefore saying 'Fundamentalist Catholics' is a massive oxymoron, kinda like 'Abortion Doctor'.[/quote] Morph, "Fundamentalist," while in its strictest proper sense, refers to a particular type of protestant, is used as a general epithet by liberals to discredit their religious opponents. According to these types any serious believing Christian who believes the Bible is real, Jesus Christ is really God and Savior, and is firmly against abortion, homsexuality, and other immorality is a "Fundamentalist"! (And any serious orthodox Catholic is, of course, a "Catholic Fundamentalist"! (And of course they like to say we're all really basically the same as "Muslim Fundamentalists" who like to blow up buidings and such!) Edited September 1, 2004 by Socrates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 I think he was overwhelmed. It's terribly bad, I think we could have turned him around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Just Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 (edited) [quote name='godspeed' date='Aug 31 2004, 01:51 PM'] An interesting debate everyone. I probably should come clean and inform you all that I work for the RC Church and have done for a number of years. The Hierarchy of the church with the exception of Ratzinger (a liberal turned conservative) and a handful of others are seeking change in so many areas of doctrine. This will happen at some point in the future, possibly in our life time, I guarantee that to you all. I really do see your views and take them on board and I take offense at those who labeled me narrow minded – it’s not nice. Whether or not you agree with what I have to say is irrelevant as there is room for us all in the Church, there really is. I respect the fact that so many of you follow all of the orders from Rome alas I cannot do that. God gave me a mind and I will use that to do what I feel is right. You would all be very surprised if you found out just how many of the clergy from Priests all the way up to Bishops and even some Cardinals are seeking change especially in the area of sexual morality. The problem so many Catholics are experiencing now is an instinctive feeling that the Church is getting it wrong. If any of you are younger users you may be fortunate enough to be in a parish or group that is flourishing but this is not the case in most parishes either in the US or Europe. I have lived and worked for the church in three continents. The truth is that many parishes are dying out, parishioners are getting older, those entering the priesthood are fewer and sometimes we have to look at the facts – What will the Church have left to hand down if they won’t come to the table and talk? It is far too easy to brand someone a dissenter or a heretic and banish them to hell and far more difficult to listen to the genuine concerns of the majority of the RC population. By loose estimates for example 70% of the Catholic population have used or do use contraception. People are not listening to the church and quoting church documents will not change their minds either. So the choice is this: either banish every dissenter from the church and be left with a few or come to the table, listen to the concerns of Catholics worldwide and move forward I was sad to see my thread deleted I suppose all are not welcome here [color=red][edited by dUSt: spam] [/color] - for those not too stubborn to try to understand other views [/quote] You'll be surprised by how many Faithful Orhtodox Catholics are going to stand up and not let such changes occur. Just like I warned the call to action people. They will not win, because we will not let them. The Gates of Hell shall not Prevail. Point blank. The changes these "liberals" plan on making will totally flip the church upside down, so many changes that we will no longer recognize the true Church. Edited September 2, 2004 by MC Just Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 [quote name='Socrates' date='Sep 2 2004, 07:07 AM'] Morph, "Fundamentalist," while in its strictest proper sense, refers to a particular type of protestant, is used as a general epithet by liberals to discredit their religious opponents. According to these types any serious believing Christian who believes the Bible is real, Jesus Christ is really God and Savior, and is firmly against abortion, homsexuality, and other immorality is a "Fundamentalist"! (And any serious orthodox Catholic is, of course, a "Catholic Fundamentalist"! (And of course they like to say we're all really basically the same as "Muslim Fundamentalists" who like to blow up buidings and such!) [/quote] Not from the books and videos Ive read. Fundamentalist has restricted itself to Protestant groups. Catholics that are like that, are labelled Fanatical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Just Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 (edited) [quote name='godspeed' date='Aug 31 2004, 11:00 AM'] I can accept all of your comments, it is refreshing to see people so informed on Catholic Church teaching. That said I will continue to call myself Catholic and receive communion guilt free. I will exercise the right to let my conscience be my guide on matters of my faith. If I am correct my conscience can never be disobeyed even if it conflicts with official church teaching. It is my hope that one day in the spirit of Vatican II we can continue to reform the Church I will pray for you all as I am sure you will pray for me [/quote] As a Catholic our Consience must be formed by the Teachings of the Church, not by the american culture of death. It is that conscience that is hurting the church here. That is straight out of the 60's. It's the reason,so many nuns and priests left their vows and it's the reaon the scandals started. and it's the reason we are now praying for vocations to the priesthood. Take a good look at it. Kennedy came out and said "I will not be a catholic president" at the same time Catholics in america were thinking "I will not be a Catholic in america" I will be a "American" catholic. Which is totally different, that means to put the american culture first. The misenterpreations of Vatican II by americans, was also responsible, Catholics in america were feeling "restrained" as the culture was changing immorally, catholic used their misunderstandings of vatican II as an excuse to do whatever they wanted in church. what I meant by restrained was many catholics were finding it hard to abide by Catholic moral teaching, they felt the teachings were to hard to live by. So their ignorance and confusion of Vatican II and their lack to "stay vigilant" in a culture changing into something totally contrary to the Christian conscience are to blame. The Church mends with alot of cultures and has no problems, but not this one. Because this one is of the devil himself. This is why we will not let, catholics in such state of minds change the church. The book of revelation warns about a women named "Jezebel" misleading the church into immorality, the comparison between Jezebel and liberal catholics trying to change the church are striking. Beware. Edited September 2, 2004 by MC Just Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 This is pretty amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quietfire Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 I read Goodspeeds initial reply and read no further, the chill in my back stopped me cold. Who am I to change Christ or his Laws. Isnt that exactly what GS was speaking of? The Church out of touch? This scares me, really. Are there really that many in the Church thinking that the Church WILL accept gay marriages, priests marrying, etc.? The Church cannot and willnot change on these issues because to do so would mean that the Church would no longer be the Church. How truly sad that people think that they can 'change' the Church. I thank God daily that He allowed the Church to change me. Praised be to Him. Thank you Dear God. My love to all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 I have a non-Catholic friend who is somewhat "feminist" in thought at times, and I was mocking this issue of "Ms" magazine she had, featuring Frances Kissling on the cover, I said "Give me a break! Does she really think she can change the Church to a point where they allow abortion?" Even my friend agreed and said, "Why doesn't she just run into a brick wall?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ash Wednesday Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 [quote name='homeschoolmom' date='Sep 10 2004, 01:18 AM'] [/quote] Exactly! I thought of that smiley, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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