The Lukewarm Get Spit Out

[ironmonk]

You are lukewarm if you carry out lazily and reluctantly those things that have to do with our Lord: if deliberately or 'shrewdly' you look for some way of cutting down your duties; if you think only of yourself and of your comfort; if your conversations are idle and vain; if you do not abhor venial sin; if you act from human motives.
-- St. Josemaria Escriva: The Way






God Bless,
ironmonk

[track2004]

Some times on the phorum it seems as though we, as a people, have already lost hope for the "Lukewarms". I don't know if everyone gets that vibe, but at times I do. I can't say that don't fit into some of the afore mentioned categories some of the time, but isn't it our job to not spit them out, but bring their "temperature up". I always thought it should be like it is in hiking, where you put the slowest people in front and make sure no one drops. It is charity, to give to another because you have understood the need in yourself.

Just something I wanted to say.

[Colleen]

[quote name='track2004' date='Aug 30 2004, 10:04 AM'] I can't say that don't fit into some of the afore mentioned categories some of the time, but isn't it our job to not spit them out, but bring their "temperature up".  I always thought it should be like it is in hiking, where you put the slowest people in front and make sure no one drops.  It is charity, to give to another because you have understood the need in yourself. [/quote]
I like that analogy, and I agree with you. Lukewarmness is something we always need to watch for and correct in ourselves, and we should also work to "bring others' temperatures up."

I think what Ironmonk is referring to by "the lukewarm get spit out" is the verse from Revelation: "But because thou art lukewarm and neither cold nor hot, I will begin to vomit thee out of my mouth" (Rev 3:16). God doesn't want us to be lukewarm. He wants us to be on fire for Him. It's our job as Christians to weed out our own lukewarmness and charitably help others with this, too.

[ironmonk]

[quote name='track2004' date='Aug 30 2004, 12:04 PM'] Some times on the phorum it seems as though we, as a people, have already lost hope for the "Lukewarms". I don't know if everyone gets that vibe, but at times I do. I can't say that don't fit into some of the afore mentioned categories some of the time, but isn't it our job to not spit them out, but bring their "temperature up". I always thought it should be like it is in hiking, where you put the slowest people in front and make sure no one drops. It is charity, to give to another because you have understood the need in yourself.

Just something I wanted to say. [/quote]
Colleen is correct.

This is a warning to us not to be lukewarm.

Know thy scripture padawan :saber: (Star Wars talk in case you didn't know)



God Bless,
ironmonk

[voiciblanche]

I like this thread.

Note on this - I know I am constantly battling lukewarmness. I often find myself in the middle of idle conversation, I am often just straight-out idle, doing things of little importance just to fill up my time, and I often feel that I am mumbling empty praises when I pray.
Therefore, I beg you all please, please, please to especially point out to me when I am showing signs of lukewarmness - I don't like being confronted, but it is in my best interest when someone points out to me if I am doing/saying something wrong. And I need to be taught, as well, so please, point things out to me as often as you possibly can. It's good for me on its own, and it's good for humbling myself when it's pointed out.
Thanks, guys.

[ICTHUS]

[quote name='ironmonk' date='Aug 30 2004, 08:36 AM'] You are lukewarm if you carry out lazily and reluctantly those things that have to do with our Lord: if deliberately or 'shrewdly' you look for some way of cutting down your duties; if you think only of yourself and of your comfort; if your conversations are idle and vain; if you do not abhor venial sin; if you act from human motives.
-- St. Josemaria Escriva: The Way






God Bless,
ironmonk [/quote]
I would've rather quoted Revelation 3:16, not some fallible person, Ironmonk. But yes, agree.

Edited August 31, 2004 by ICTHUS

[ironmonk]

[quote name='ICTHUS' date='Aug 31 2004, 12:00 AM'] I would've rather quoted Revelation 3:16, not some fallible person, Ironmonk. But yes, agree. [/quote]
Rev 3:16-17 should already be known to people ... I thought St. Escriva's description could help many of us here.

Some people could have the wrong context of Rev. 3:16-17.

[b]Rev. 3:15 [/b]"I know your works; I know that you are neither cold nor hot. [color=blue]11 [/color]I wish you were either cold or hot.
[b]16 [/b][color=blue]12 [/color]So, because you are lukewarm, neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth.


[b]Notes:[/b]
[SIZE=1][color=blue]11[/color] [15-16] Halfhearted commitment to the faith is nauseating to Christ; cf Romans 12:11.

[color=blue]12 [/color][16] Spit: literally, "vomit." The image is that of a beverage that should be either hot or cold. Perhaps there is an allusion to the hot springs of Hierapolis across the Lycus river from Laodicea, which would have been lukewarm by the time they reached Laodicea.




God Bless,
ironmonk