MichaelFilo Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 God is with the faithful, always. In His Real Presence, he is not differnt than before, except now he is phsyically tangiable. The only incorrect thing I can see with this is, if you are accustomed to spend 1 hour of adoration a day, but instead, you do your homework, then you are wrong for it. I am going to remit my acceptance of it, however. It can be ok, but now that I think about it, it takes away from the beauty and sacredness of the moment if you do homework. It should be ALL about God. God bless, Mikey PS. I mean, don't do your homework in front of Jesus, only because, unless you live in the Adoration chapel, this time is specifically for Him. God bless, Mikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zwergel88 Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 when I first saw this thread I voted "no, your silly" but you guys diffinatly had powerful arguements for, and against. I think that it is okay, sometimes, and sometimes not okay. If you're like me and your parish doesn't have Adoration, so you only get to go once in a blue moon, then it wouldn't be a good idea. But if you like get to go every single day after school, I don't think there would be anything wrong with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAZEr Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 I'm sorry Michael, you are wrong when you say "God is with the faithful, always. In His Real Presence, he is not differnt than before, except now he is phsyically tangiable." This is a heresy. God is not with us anywhere like he is with us in the Blessed Sacrament. It is a totally unique and completely unrepeatable way for Christ to be with us since his Ascencion. Even the often (poorly) quoted verse "Where two or three are gathered in my name" is not about him being physically present with him. That verse is about the Authority of the Church. If you read the rest of the passage you will see that. Christ is with us in a singular way in the Blessed Sacrament and it is a Sacred Moment, it is absurd to do mundane things during sacred moments. Honestly, Adoration of Christ while his Sacred Body is in exposition is a liturgical act (which is why it is preceded by the Rite of Exposition and reposed with the Rite of Solemn Benediction). The problem with Perpetual Adoration, as I see it, is that this fact is forgotten. People think Christ is always there and they can go and do anything they want while they have their hour with him. At the same time, there are situations where taking your homework to the Chapel is acceptable, even if its Math or Science or whatever. I can imagine that if you are having a particularly diffictult time understanding something and would like to Beg Christ's help in prayer for your understanding, it would be appropriate to take your work and even study it in his presence with the prayer that His Divine Wisdom illumine your dim and dusty mind. However doing your homework regularly in the Adoration Chapel is a grave lack of respect. I have read all of Pope John Paul II's statements about Adoration and the Eucharist and never, not once, has he suggested that we go these moments of inticmacy with Christ and take our secular work. He gives you the Strength to do your secular work . . . but it is secular work. It should be done where it is supposed to be done. The problem is that our generation has become so darn lazy and irreverent . . . we don't even know the when we are being irreverent and lazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinner Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 Again, very interesting post. I think if you had a regular habit of visiting the Blessed Sacrament and that was the primary intent of your visit..... and on occasion you asked the Lord to help you, there would be no problem with it...... even on a regular basis if you were to set aside a certain amount of time for prayer and the remainder (hopefully smaller portion) for just spending time with Jesus and offering him your studies.... I don't see a problem. I could be persuaded to go the other direction with this line of thought noting Blazer's posts above, but it seems even the more theological studied have thought and re-thought this one a few times...... an interesting post. I mean lets say you have an hour, and you spend 30 minutes with the Lord.... then you leave to study outside the Chapel for 30 minutes vs both in the Chapel? Would those 30 minutes of study in the Chapel be bad? Maybe not the quality of time of the first 30 mins, but are they bad? I have spent alot of time studying with my wife/lover.... even though I was not paying absolute attention to her, we both enjoy each other's company during the study time.... but that does not mean I will shortchange our direct time together.... sound good? huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAZEr Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 I think you should look at the example of the monks and the nuns who do adoration. I have never, never seen a sister or brother in adoration doing any other worl/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelFilo Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 [quote name='BLAZEr' date='Aug 29 2004, 01:52 PM'] I'm sorry Michael, you are wrong when you say "God is with the faithful, always. In His Real Presence, he is not differnt than before, except now he is phsyically tangiable." This is a heresy. God is not with us anywhere like he is with us in the Blessed Sacrament. It is a totally unique and completely unrepeatable way for Christ to be with us since his Ascencion. Even the often (poorly) quoted verse "Where two or three are gathered in my name" is not about him being physically present with him. That verse is about the Authority of the Church. If you read the rest of the passage you will see that. Christ is with us in a singular way in the Blessed Sacrament and it is a Sacred Moment, it is absurd to do mundane things during sacred moments. Honestly, Adoration of Christ while his Sacred Body is in exposition is a liturgical act (which is why it is preceded by the Rite of Exposition and reposed with the Rite of Solemn Benediction). The problem with Perpetual Adoration, as I see it, is that this fact is forgotten. People think Christ is always there and they can go and do anything they want while they have their hour with him. At the same time, there are situations where taking your homework to the Chapel is acceptable, even if its Math or Science or whatever. I can imagine that if you are having a particularly diffictult time understanding something and would like to Beg Christ's help in prayer for your understanding, it would be appropriate to take your work and even study it in his presence with the prayer that His Divine Wisdom illumine your dim and dusty mind. However doing your homework regularly in the Adoration Chapel is a grave lack of respect. I have read all of Pope John Paul II's statements about Adoration and the Eucharist and never, not once, has he suggested that we go these moments of inticmacy with Christ and take our secular work. He gives you the Strength to do your secular work . . . but it is secular work. It should be done where it is supposed to be done. The problem is that our generation has become so darn lazy and irreverent . . . we don't even know the when we are being irreverent and lazy. [/quote] Blazer, I am sorry if you somehow figured I said that at adoration, it is just like everywhere else God is. I said God is still God, weather he is in the blessed Sacrament, or he is Jesus, AD 33, dieing on the Cross for us. He is our Teacher always. I would never, ever, somehow say that Christ in the Blessed Sacrament is the same as He is in Omnipotence. I hope this cleared up what I said. You'll also notice that I said I drew back my point about homework, saying that only if you need help it maybe acceptable. I am only 15, being irreverant becaus eof the generation I am in isn't totally my fault. Where have I learned about Adoration outside of Adoration? I haven't. I just knew Jesus was the peice of bread I saw. Through Faith, I understood that he is God, and why he is there. I did this with research. I never got anyone formally explaining it to me. I don't know Adoration manners. If I did, I'm sure I wouldn't of said what I said. However, I did think it over, and took back doing homework as a possibility. It maybe good for help. However, the only reason that I said thi sis because, we often times read religious books. Is this irreverant? It maybe, if you make going to Adoration for that specific reason. Same with homework. God bless, Mikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAZEr Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 Mikey, I wasn't trying to single you to for the irreverent comment. i think it's true about all of us . . . we don't treat sacred space and sacred moments with the care we should use . . . we are all guilty (I'm 10 years older than you). That's why I said its the curse of our generation . . . our parents have been so lax in their practice of the faith that we don't even know how we're supposed to treat these moments! Doing spiritual reading is not a bad thing during adoration . . . in fact, it's a great thing. However, we need to learn to allow our prayer time to be prayer time and not think that because we are supposed to pray with out ceasing that are not supposed to cease what we are doing and pray. Sorry, I didn't mean to be harsh, bud . . . sometimes I come down like an iron fist when a satin glove is all that is needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelFilo Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 That last line was, poeticly beautiful. Now back to where we were. I can agree, it really leads to serious misunderstanding of the Sacrament if we aren't shown properly. Blazer, may I ask why you don't post much? God bless, Mikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theoketos Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 Just a thought...An hour of Study is an hour of prayer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAZEr Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 I don't post much because I'm busy . . . however, if you will notice .. . I do have almost 3,000 posts . . . once upon a time I was a posting fiend . .. only to be outdone by Flowery and Hyper . .. but others were more consistent than me . . . and I got busy and posting slowed down . .. back in Februrary, Foundsheep and I were neck and neck for 3,000 . . . then he broke ahead and I pretty much stayed where I was . . . Ah, the posting wars . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAZEr Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 [quote name='Theoketos' date='Aug 29 2004, 02:11 PM'] Just a thought...An hour of Study is an hour of prayer... [/quote] Amen . . . the monks say . .. "Ora et Labora" Prayer and Work . . . because both can be offered to God as an oblation . . . The missionaries of Charity are cool, they always pray when they work . . . but when they pray . . . they really pray . . . no other stuff there . . . They said it to me this way "When we work we want to be with Jesus in the Blessed sacrament but we can't be, when we are with Him, we want nothing else to distract us." That was Sr. Joy in the Bronx . . . she rocks the Qasbah . . . Does anyone know Sr. Joy? She's the Rosary queen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinner Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 You are making me think again....... this is starting to hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theoketos Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Ok, I think that agree with you blazer, I am just playing the devil's advocate... So let us suppouse that you do not subsitute your hour with the Blessed Sacrament with no distractions, but you simply are able to do all your homework in front of Jesus (with out distracting any one). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattosika Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 I always used to do my homework during adoration, I would spend half hour praying and offer up the work I was supposed to do, ask God to reveal all the importance of the work, and reveal how he works through all things even homework. Plus I found during adoration it was the only really peaceful quite place where I could fully concentrate, without being distracted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reelguy227 Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Jesus deserves our full attention during adoration ,its like if you were standing in front of God ,would you look away from Him ? same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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