3 Questions

[Ziggamafu]

1. Ever heard of the "7 Gifts Medal"? What is represented on it, what's its history, and why is it called the seven gifts?

2. Do combination medals have all the promises vested in the sacramentals if they were worn individually? This is of course assuming that all the apparitions, visions, etc. related to each scapular (for the scapular medal in the combo) and the other medals were legit. Because it seems that substituting countless individual devotions for one mega-sacramental cheapens the meaningfulness of what was attached to each of them...just wondering if there's ever been an official statement.

3. Anyone here know EXACTLY how to pray the chaplet of conversion, from beginning to end, on the rosary? It's supposed to be made of 33 beads...and yet it's supposed to be prayed from the crucifix to the centerpeice medal. How the heck does that work?! What are the "little mysteries" attached to it? And what is the chaplet's history?

Thanks as always!

P.S. curious question...what combo medal/sacramental have you run across that has combined the most sacramentals? I found a tiny ten-way for a dollar!

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Ziggamafu' date='Aug 28 2004, 08:38 PM'] 1. Ever heard of the "7 Gifts Medal"? What is represented on it, what's its history, and why is it called the seven gifts?
[/quote]
I've never heard of it, but I imagine the seven gifts refers to the seven gift of the Holy Spirit. These are: Wisdom, Understanding, Counsel, Fortitude, Knowledge, Piety and Fear of the Lord. These are the gifts that the Holy Spirit brings when we are in a state of Grace and they help us in the path of sanctity to bring us to a further actualization of the Theological virtues (Faith, Hope and Love) and the infused virtues (temperance, fortitude, prudence, justice).

This list of seven gifts is derived from a passage in the book of Isaiah that I can't remember the number for right now. Oh, and I don't know the answer to your other questions off the top of my head.

Anyway, God bless.

[Laudate_Dominum]

"Through the fear of the Lord, we rise to piety, from piety then to knowledge, from knowledge we derive strength, from strength counsel, with counsel we move towards understanding, and with intelligence towards wisdom and thus, by the sevenfold grace of the Spirit, there opens to us at the end of the ascent the entrance to the life of Heaven" - Pope Saint Gregory the Great, Homiliae in Hiezechihelem Prophetam, II 7,7).

[Ziggamafu]

I don't think so...here's a link to a pic of a "seven gifts medal": [url="http://www.classic-creations-religious-jewelry.com/stores/xq/xfm/store_id.684/page_id.23/Item_ID.93846/parent_ids.0,304,484/Sterling-Silver-Four-Way-7-Gifts-Medal-Pendant/qx/store.htm"]7 Gifts Medal[/url]

And while I'm at it, a good example of a cool combo-medal (this one could be used as the crucifix on the end of your rosary!): [url="http://www.rosaryunlimitedsite.com/MRUS3675/Medals_Four_Ways_Four_Ways_Medal_details.html"]Here it is[/url]

[Laudate_Dominum]

ooo, that's purdy! not sure what it means though.

God bless

[Theoketos]

I see on that medal, the LAdy of Lourdes, The Infant of Prague, the Sacred Heart of Jesus (Or Divine Mercy), St. Christopher, St Joseph, Our Lady of Mount Carmel, Sanctus Spiritus, and in the Middle is the miraculous medal.

I guess wearing this means that you could get the graces from each of these popular medals.

[phatcatholic]

[quote name='Ziggamafu' date='Aug 29 2004, 07:50 AM'] I don't think so...here's a link to a pic of a "seven gifts medal": [url="http://www.classic-creations-religious-jewelry.com/stores/xq/xfm/store_id.684/page_id.23/Item_ID.93846/parent_ids.0,304,484/Sterling-Silver-Four-Way-7-Gifts-Medal-Pendant/qx/store.htm"]7 Gifts Medal[/url]

And while I'm at it, a good example of a cool combo-medal (this one could be used as the crucifix on the end of your rosary!): [url="http://www.rosaryunlimitedsite.com/MRUS3675/Medals_Four_Ways_Four_Ways_Medal_details.html"]Here it is[/url] [/quote]
actually, LaudDom was right too

[url="https://www.ewtn.com/vcatalogue/pages/itemdetail.asp?itemcode=886SS&source=categories.asp&category=JEWELRY&pgnu=18"][b]go here[/b][/url]

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='phatcatholic' date='Aug 29 2004, 11:27 PM'] actually, LaudDom was right too

[url="https://www.ewtn.com/vcatalogue/pages/itemdetail.asp?itemcode=886SS&source=categories.asp&category=JEWELRY&pgnu=18"][b]go here[/b][/url] [/quote]
Sweet! Thanks bro! You've got my back just like old times. I'll get your back one of these days.

God bless.

[phatcatholic]

maaan, i can't find anything explaining what those medals are all about

[StColette]

[url="http://www.monmouth.com/~wknight/ch4bscroll-scapularfivefold.htm"]http://www.monmouth.com/~wknight/ch4bscrol...larfivefold.htm[/url] <-- Five Fold Scapular

[quote]Because it seems that substituting countless individual devotions for one mega-sacramental cheapens the meaningfulness of what was attached to each of them...just wondering if there's ever been an official statement.[/quote]

It being a combination of the 5 Scapulars excluding the green scapular does not take away from its meaningfulness and yes a combination sacramental like the 5 Fold Scapular still has all the indulgences that wearing each individual scapular would have.

Four Way Medal — Also called a cruciform, this cross-shaped medal is actually four medals in one. The Sacred Heart is at the top, St. Christopher is on the right, a Miraculous Medal image is on the bottom, and St. Joseph is on the left. Often on the back is the inscription, "I am a Catholic, please call a priest," indicating the wearer’s desire for the Sacrament of the Annointing of the Sick in the case of an accident.

Each indulgence that is included in each single sacramental is still included in the Four-Way Medal. It being a combined sacramental does not take away from the individuals medals themselves.

And according the the Popes who established the indulgences that go along with these combination sacramentals there seems to be no indication that they cheapen the meaningfulness of the individual sacramentals.

Edited August 30, 2004 by StColette

[StColette]

[quote]3. Anyone here know EXACTLY how to pray the chaplet of conversion, from beginning to end, on the rosary? It's supposed to be made of 33 beads...and yet it's supposed to be prayed from the crucifix to the centerpeice medal. How the heck does that work?! What are the "little mysteries" attached to it? And what is the chaplet's history?[/quote]

How to pray the Chaplet of Conversion

The devotion to the Chaplet of Conversion is prayed on the most popular 59 beads Marian Rosary which is one of the Catholic Church Sacramentals.

On the crucifix, being with the "I Believe In God.." for the unbelievers of the world.

On the first bead pray, the "Our Father..." for the grace of conversion of the world.

On the second bead pray a "Hail Mary..." to honour the Father for the exaltation of Mary, a mere creature, and for choosing to honour her with the title, "Queen of heaven and Mediatrix of all graces."

On the third bead pray the "Hail, Holy Queen..."

On the medal, say the following prayer,

"O Holy Mother,
I join you at the foot of your Son's Cross
to implore mercy
and conversion for the souls of the world.
With you, I offer the Wounds of your Son, Jesus,
to the Father,
in atonement for the sins of the world past,
present and to come."

On each of the small beads, say,

"Through the Sorrowful, Bleeding,
Immaculate Heart of Mary,
and in union with the suffering of her Son,
Jesus, on the Cross,
I implore of the Father,
the grace of the conversion for the world."

On each of the large beads, say a "Hail Mary..." in honour of Mary's Tears of Sorrow.

After the "Hail Mary" on each large bead, say,

"Holy Mother Mary,
Mediatrix of all graces,
obtain for us from God,
the conversion of the world.

Then say 3 "Glory Be..." in honour of the Blessed Trinity.

When finishing the Chaplet, say the prayer "Hail, Holy Queen...".

I'm not too sure about it's history I'll keep looking.

[Ziggamafu]

Hmm...I'm trying to figure out how to pray it according to the suggestion of the Blessed Virgin when the Chaplet for Conversion was originally given, and I apparently just can't figure it out. She said to pray it at the end of the Rosary with the first four parts said at each point of the crucifix and the rest prayed from the first bead to the medal with a total of 33 beads...but I've found varying opinions on the web. My parish has a pamphlet that started me on this whole thing = )

[phatcatholic]

colette, where did u get ur info? i didn't find it at the link u provided

[StColette]

All my info isn't just from one source it's from reading about different sacramentals and devotions over the past 3 yrs I'll go through and see if I can find it all again.

The Five Fold scapular sites provides the indulgences that are involved with that sacramental. They are the same indulgences that go with each individual scapular they are just combined together. It's simple knowledge that the combination of two or more sacramentals is not in any way lessening the meaningfulness of the sacramental. The Popes that established the indulgences to these sacramentals would not have done so if they thought in any way that the combined sacramental took away from the individual sacramentals.

Anyway I'll do some searches and see what I can find again. Like I said all this info is coming from 3 yrs of reading on sacramentals and devotions.

God Bless,
Jennie

[phatcatholic]

ohhh, i gotcha. i thought you were only using the site you provided the link for. thank you for your wisdom