lifeteenchick527 Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 hell is the absence of God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 The most horrible, scary, desolate place you could ever imagine multiplied by infinity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toledo_jesus Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 entirely unpleasant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 [quote name='CatholicCrusader' date='Aug 28 2004, 10:32 AM'] Hell as defined by the Church is a place of both pain of sense (fire) and pain of loss (loss of God). The latter punishment is worse than the former. In Hell each man is given his just punishment, which he is due. Each is repayed according to the gravity of his sins. He who has commited the worst sins is punished most, continuing up to those who commited no actual sins but died in the state of Original Sin unbaptized. These souls (either infants or mentally retarded, etc. who never reached an age of reason) suffer least. The Church has never defined but does allow for the belief in Limbo. The said souls who died in Original Sin only would descend to Limbo where they would be spared the pain of sense. Of course, they would still have the pain of loss, but some hypothesize that because they do not have an intellect to understand God, they do not understand or suffer from this punishment; therefore, they reside in a state of natural happiness. If one rejects Limbo (which he may do, since it is not defined by the Church but is the only merciful and logical option), one would have to hold that souls who die in Original Sin alone would be punished in Hell with the other souls, merely receiving the least punishment of any others. No one can doubt the fact that the unbaptized go to Hell, as the infallible ecumenical Council of Lyons II declared: "The souls of those who die in mortal sin or Original Sin only descend immediately into Hell, to be punished with different punishments." One can take different punishments to mean Limbo vs. Hell or in merely differing degrees of punishments, which is how men who have reached the age of reason are punished (according to their deeds). This is not an "opinion" of a PMer. This is the infallible declaration of the Church on Hell and Baptism. [/quote] I'd call it fallible dude. You got a few details wrong. Your presentation would be fine if the Church taught Jansenism. Anyway, this isn't a debate on these issues (which have been debated quite enough) so I'll give it a rest. Peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hananiah Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 [i]The Dialogue of St. Catherine of Sienna[/i], published by Tan books, contanins an extraordinarily vivid description of hell. If that doesn't encourage you to pray more, nothing will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Knight Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Heaven and Hell are beyond human comprehention, we can't vathome the terrors of Hell, nor can we even comdemnplate the Perfection and Happiness in Heaven. We wont have the answers to these questions until we get to them, one place or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theoketos Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Can you create nothing? If hell is the absence of God's presence, I would say that is was not created, even if the accuser was thrown there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Knight Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 My question is, if The Lord is everywhere at once, and Hell is suspost to be a place where you suffer for your sins you committed here on Earth, and your suspost to be Absent of the LORD's presence, how does that stand with the everywhere at once thing? I believe Hes everywhere at once, including Hell, because if he wasn't that would contradict his ownself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 According to JP2, Hell is actually a state and not a place. Same for Heaven and Purgatory [url="http://www.ewtn.com/library/PAPALDOC/JP2HEAVN.HTM"]http://www.ewtn.com/library/PAPALDOC/JP2HEAVN.HTM[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 I don't believe Hell is a physically hot place. I think that that is used as an allegory to describe the incredible and all-encompasing spiritual suffering that we would endure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hananiah Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 [quote name='Tony' date='Aug 30 2004, 03:49 AM'] According to JP2, Hell is actually a state and not a place. Same for Heaven and Purgatory [url="http://www.ewtn.com/library/PAPALDOC/JP2HEAVN.HTM"]http://www.ewtn.com/library/PAPALDOC/JP2HEAVN.HTM[/url] [/quote] It is certainly true that "Incorporeal things are not in place after a manner known and familiar to us, in which way we say that bodies are properly in place; but they are in place after a manner befitting spiritual substances, a manner that cannot be fully manifest to us." However, heaven must be in some sense a physical place because Jesus and Mary are both there in their physical bodies. And after the general resurrection heaven and hell will both be full of physical bodies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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