No Salvation Outside The Church

[goldenchild17]

Hey, I remembered this is something I wanted to ask. A while ago I addressed the parish's youth director about this topic. She said that this is not something that is officially taught by the Church and that we can get to heaven through different faiths, but that Catholicism was simply the best way. She said that this is something that is still being argued about in the Church. I showed her a thing or two in the Catechism that I thought said differently but I just want to verify. Does this teaching have a degree of infallibility to it? If so, where can I find it? And I'd appreciate it if I could get some quotes from different periods throughout time as far back as they appear. Thanks.

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

No Salvation Outside the Church has been greatly misunderstood to mean that nobody who isn't physically in the Church can be saved. That is incorrect, a heresy known as Feeneyism. Here is my article all about the topic:
[url="http://www.cathworld.org/worlds/bible/thedude/againstfeeneyism.html"]http://www.cathworld.org/worlds/bible/thed...tfeeneyism.html[/url]

Edited August 28, 2004 by Cure of Ars

[Cure of Ars]

[quote name='thedude' date='Aug 28 2004, 08:02 AM'] No Salvation Outside the Church has been greatly misunderstood to mean that nobody who isn't physically in the Church can be saved. That is incorrect, a heresy known as Feeneyism. Here is my article all about the topic:
[url="http://www.cathworld.org/worlds/bible/thedude/againstfeeneyism.html"]http://www.cathworld.org/worlds/bible/thed...tfeeneyism.html[/url] [/quote]
I give props to Dude for his tract. Very nice.

[Aloysius]

however, extra ecclesium nulla sallus (outside of the Church there is no salvation) is an infallible DOGMA that must be believed by Divine and Catholic faith. no one can be saved by any other religion. Just as by the Ark of Noah some were saved, so too by the Church are those who are in her saved. If someone doesn't have the chance to hear the gospel but try to follow God's will through the dictates of their own conscience, God will not charge them with the sin of remaining outside the Church. They've kinda got their shirt accidently nailed to one of the boards of the ark and are bein dragged along and saved.

a Catholic cannot believe that any other religion can save a person. that is heresy.

only through the Catholic Church founded by Jesus Christ has salvation been offered to the world.

[goldenchild17]

Okay thanks for that. That's what I thought.

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

[quote name='Aloysius' date='Aug 28 2004, 11:12 AM'] however, extra ecclesium nulla sallus (outside of the Church there is no salvation) is an infallible DOGMA that must be believed by Divine and Catholic faith. no one can be saved by any other religion. Just as by the Ark of Noah some were saved, so too by the Church are those who are in her saved. If someone doesn't have the chance to hear the gospel but try to follow God's will through the dictates of their own conscience, God will not charge them with the sin of remaining outside the Church. They've kinda got their shirt accidently nailed to one of the boards of the ark and are bein dragged along and saved.

a Catholic cannot believe that any other religion can save a person. that is heresy.

only through the Catholic Church founded by Jesus Christ has salvation been offered to the world. [/quote]
What he says is correct. I believe I talked about this in my article too.

[CatholicCrusader]

Feeneyism is not a heresy... some people in the sense of false ecumenism want to allow everyone to be saved, regardless of religion, reduce the Church's infallible doctrine: "Outside the Church no salvation" to "a mere formula" (St. Pius... XII, I believe). It is not a mere formula. The Church is ABSOLUTELY necessary, as She has defined herself. If you want to read btoh sides, here is the Church's authentic stance: [color=red][edit by Cure of Ars because it instigates catholic vs. catholic debate][/color]

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Catholic vs Catholic Debate- a post or comment that results in doctrinal debates that might cause scandal among the faithful. *Effective immediately, any negative criticism of the current Magisterium will result in deletion, and a warning from the moderators. This includes but is not limited to criticism of the Novus Ordo mass and/or our Holy Father.][/color]

Edited August 31, 2004 by Cure of Ars

[phatcatholic]

goldenchild,

these articles will be of great benefit to you:

[b]Salvation Outside the Church[/b]
--[url="http://www.catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?recnum=1203"]Ignorance: Invincible and Vincible[/url]
--[url="http://www.catholic.com/library/How_to_Become_a_Catholic.asp"]How to Become a Catholic[/url]
--[url="http://www.catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?recnum=964"]Is There Salvation Outside the Church?[/url]
--[url="http://www.ewtn.com/library/SCRIPTUR/FEENEY2.TXT"]Leonard Freeney on "No Salvation Outside the Church"[/url]
--[url="http://www.ewtn.com/library/SCRIPTUR/FEENEY.TXT"]Tragic Errors of Leonard Freeney[/url]
--[url="http://www.ewtn.com/library/SCRIPTUR/EXTRAECC.TXT"]No Salvation Outside the Church[/url]
--[url="http://www.catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?recnum=4084"]Salvation Outside the Church[/url]
--[url="http://www.ewtn.com/library/SCRIPTUR/CHURCHSA.TXT"]Which Church Saves?[/url]
--[url="http://www.catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?recnum=3447"]The Necessity of Being Catholic[/url]
--[url="http://www.catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?recnum=674"]Is There Salvation Outside the Church?[/url]
--[url="http://www.catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?recnum=4085"]Can Outsiders Be Insiders?[/url]
--[url="http://cuf.org/member/withoutchurch.pdf"]Without the Church There Is No Salvation[/url]
--[url="http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/a/salvation.html"]Who Will Be Saved?[/url]
--[url="http://www.catholic-defense.com/no_salvation.htm"]No Salvation Outside the Church?[/url]
--[url="http://www.ewtn.com/library/THEOLOGY/SPIRCATH.htm#10"]The Church Necessary for Salvation[/url]
--[url="http://css.catholicexchange.com/truthtract.asp?qid=67"]If "No Salvation Outside the Church" Is Infallible, How Can We Say Today that People Outside Can Be Saved?[/url]
--[url="http://matt1618.freeyellow.com/critic2.html"]"Mr. Critic" and Salvation Outside the Catholic Church[/url]
--[url="http://www.cathworld.org/worlds/bible/thedude/againstfeeneyism.html"]Against Feeneyism[/url]
--[url="http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/debate9.htm"]The Unam Sanctam "Problem" Resolved by PhilVaz[/url]
--[url="http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/2.5/coverstory.html"]Can Outsiders Be Insiders?[/url]
--[url="http://www.geocities.com/Athens/3517/nosalv.htm"]No Salvation Outside The Church?[/url]


pham, also note that this is not the place for debate on this issue.

pax christi,
phatcatholic

[goldenchild17]

Thanks man, that's great. Exactly what I needed. And yeah, this wasn't meant to be a debate. I fully agree with the teaching, I just wanted to have some stuff on it. Thanks again.