Dave Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 [quote name='phatcatholic' date='Aug 26 2004, 10:26 PM'] i believe so, although i am not 100% certain. the info you need is in the reference section under "Holy Orders and the Priesthood" [/quote] It was infallible by virtue of the ordinary universal Magisterium, and the teaching always has been too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fides_et_Ratio Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 [quote name='drewmeister2' date='Aug 27 2004, 05:46 PM'] Well, Aloysius, I dont think condemning Christianity is the way to go. The Orthodox still dont' have women priests, and probably wont ever have them. I think the people who say yes and maybe may say this not because they want it to happen, but because it may happen anyway. Just a thought. Also, its curious to hear how so many say no, as I have also heard so many say we will have women priests. Kind of interesting.... God bless! [/quote] It is impossible for the Catholic Church to ordain women as priests. Why? Because God has not given the Church the authority to do so. God has not called women to serve as priests. This is perfectly laid out in Scripture. And besides.. have you ever seen a woman in clerics... :ph34r: ... .... :deformed: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 It is simply pride that makes some women want to be priests. As Fides and others said God has not given the Church authority to ordain women and He has not called women to serve as priests. Women often times forget about becoming a sisters, what a great and wonderous thing that is. The sisters do such wonderful things and they play a tremendous part in the Church. If a woman feels she is called to a religious life then she should look into becoming a sister because that is the roll in which God has chosen for a woman to play within the Church other than lay jobs within the Church or being a mother to children. anyway that's my opinion. hehe I'm still waiting on a post from the people who voted yes and possibly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 What gets me is that they think the only reason women can't be priests is that there is some close-minded sexist sitting on the Chair of Peter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 [quote name='thedude' date='Aug 27 2004, 09:03 PM'] What gets me is that they think the only reason women can't be priests is that there is some close-minded sexist sitting on the Chair of Peter. [/quote] Yeah, 264 popes and they were all sexist, including the liberal ones... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 The reservation of ordination to men alone is an infallible doctrine [i]de fide tenenda[/i], and thus it can never change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 [quote name='Aloysius' date='Aug 27 2004, 05:01 PM'] and if the Catholic Church were proven wrong to me, I would consider Jesus Christ to be nothing more than a very influential person. but thanx to the Catholic Church I know He is Full God Full Man who came to Earth and established a Chruch which was prefigured by Noah's Ark which is the one way of salvation. and that is why i would condemn Christianity as false if the Catholic Church fell into such a wrong. [/quote] hmm.. this is totally hypothetical and probably impious to even consider, but if the Church ever official started ordaining women, this would destroy our certainty in Church teachings (fortunately we know by faith that this is not possible, so this is a frivolous discussion). However, even if this impossibility were to occur, we would still have our relationship with Christ and know the maternal love of Mary, so I still can't imagine abandoning the Faith. I would probably just renounce Theology and become an anti-intellectual hermit or something. hehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 [quote name='drewmeister2' date='Aug 27 2004, 02:46 PM'] Well, Aloysius, I dont think condemning Christianity is the way to go. The Orthodox still dont' have women priests, and probably wont ever have them. I think the people who say yes and maybe may say this not because they want it to happen, but because it may happen anyway. Just a thought. Also, its curious to hear how so many say no, as I have also heard so many say we will have women priests. Kind of interesting.... God bless! [/quote] It is important to remember that the Eastern Orthodox Churches are presently in a state of schism. Now, if at some point in the future they should attempt to ordain women, it follows that they would move from a state of schism into heresy. It impossible for a woman to validly receive Sacred Orders, and this is a definitive teaching of the Church's Magisterium. The Pope's letter [u]Ordinatio Sacerdotalis[/u] is an infallible exercise of the Ordinary Papal Magisterium, confirming a doctrine already held and taught as a [i]sententia definitive tenenda[/i] by the Ordinary and Universal Magisterium. As Cardinal Ratzinger has indicated, the Pope, as head of the Episcopal College, can confirm or reaffirm a teaching as infallible, even without recourse to a new solemn dogmatic definition. [cf., CDF [u]Official Doctrinal Commentary on the Professio Fidei[/u], no. 9; cf., Tarcisio Cardinal Bertone, [u]Magisterial Documents and Public Dissent[/u], part 1, no. 2, (L'Osservatore Romano, 29 Jan. 1997)] I've written a handy outline on the nature of the Magisterium and how it operates, and it can be found on my website: [url="http://www.geocities.com/apotheoun"]The Church's Magisterium[/url] God bless, Todd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 [quote name='Aloysius' date='Aug 28 2004, 08:31 AM'] and if the Catholic Church were proven wrong to me, I would consider Jesus Christ to be nothing more than a very influential person. but thanx to the Catholic Church I know He is Full God Full Man who came to Earth and established a Chruch which was prefigured by Noah's Ark which is the one way of salvation. and that is why i would condemn Christianity as false if the Catholic Church fell into such a wrong. [/quote] Yes. If one error starts, then it makes a chain reaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 well, if the Pope formally taught such a clear heresy I think the sedevacantist position would gain some credibility. I can't imagine abandoning Christianity as an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Just Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 [url="http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?showtopic=19026&st=0entry332302"]http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?showt...=0entry332302[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 well, like I said: only if it were officially done and not just done by stupid liberal men within the Church. if it were only done by people within the Church and not by the official Church, i'd start an Athanasian-style revolt (you know, Athanasius contra arianism where the pope wasn't even on his side) but if Jesus' words in Matthew 16:18 prooved false, I would say Jesus was a false teacher and couldn't have been God. luckily, Jesus Christ IS GOD and taught all TRUTH and will guard His Church from the gates of Hell for all eternity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oik Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 I vote with laud, i'd be an anti-intellectual, but I'd just move to Hell because it would freeze over and be sides, i'd have to avoid the pig feces following out of the sky on account of thier new found ability to fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiat_Voluntas_Tua Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 Anyone who says women have the right to be priest's (Consecrate the Body and Blood of Christ) are wrong...Anyone who says men have the right to be priest's (Consecrate the Body and Blood of Christ) are wrong. THE PRIESTHOOD IS NOT A RIGHT...But an appointment from God to men. (if you are questioning why, read about this in the reference section) It isn't about power, but sacrifice. It isn't about right, but about love. It isn't about equal right's...simply because right's don't have anything to do with the priesthood, and the priesthood isn't a right. Ut In Omnibus Glorificetur Deus. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christina Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 Nothing to debate here .... this will never happen in the Catholic Church. Not even the Pope can make it happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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